‘Poisoning the blood of our country’: Trump delivers caustic attack on immigrants

When you are losing the argument, just start screaming racist racist racist....

It's the progressive way to call someone a racist anytime someone actually wants a reasoned approach to immigration and realizes that there's actually a difference between an immigrant and an illegal alien

 

You need to understand what "control" means from the immigration legal perspective. We have 25000 border agents on the Southern Border alone, let alone the number of CBP agents at airports and other areas of the country. We have ICE agents who generally go after criminal aliens and we arrested some 35k aliens. We have intercepted 27k pounds of fentanyl coming across the border, most notably at POEs. We deported some 600k aliens in FY 2023 alone. So, yes, it is in control, but control never means zero which is where you were going with this arguments.

Although we had 3 million encounters total, it does not truly tell the issues here since many of them are trying to come here legally but have gone through the POE generally, initally denied, and applied anyway. Many of them were given advance parole, which is perfectly legal in the Immigration code while their application, which can take three years or longer, to process. Some may have to go through IJ if they were caught outside of the POE designation.

As for ill informed, you are one of the worst which you get economics, politics, and immigration, not to mention any other topic on this forum since all you do is regurgitate far RW talking points. And that is it.

 

At what point is this no longer the US? We believe in due process and free speech with religious tolerance. What if they import so many people that they outnumber those born here (or provide the critical mass to put those with alien values over the top in our representative republic/democracy) and do not share these values. We lose our country is what happens.

 

There are lots of Hispanics in my town. Sometimes they will come in the store and ask me in Spanish if I speak Spanish. I know more Spanish than I let on, but I will just look at them and say that I do not speak Spanish.

It is not MY job to learn YOUR language.

You decided to come to this country so therefore it is YOUR job to learn OUR language.

 

Precisely so. It seems that that's what progressive Democrats want.

Perhaps if we become the minority in our country, we can start illegally immigrating to their countries because they must be at least half empty.

Or real Americans can finally grab their balls at some point and say enough is enough.

 

No, I am merely pointing out the bias in your argument. Your argument would not be the same if we had 3 million from Canada who are here illegally. Or from Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, or the entire Western Europe.

the other point I made is our own immigration history which you fail to acknowledge. We started with the Chinese Exclusion Act, continued with the 1924 Immigration Act which we prioritized Western Europe, aka Caucasian, and then we had the 1965 Immigration Act which got rid of all nation quotas and that is why people like you want to get rid of. It is also why Trump has continued his dog whisle approach when it comes to immigration. Our racist tendencies as a culture tend to rear its ugly head when it comes to immigration.

Finally, look at the DHS stats. Some 3 million encounters in FY 2023 alone and 2 million in FY 2022, and 1.7 million in FY 2021. Encounters by DHS included everything under the prima facie that they are "inadmissible" but also include advanced parole, which means they are still applying for humanitarian relief and allowed to stay. That's the process and what Congress intended under the law, not "remain in Mexico" which is not a safe country under Title 8 definition. But then again, you don't care, just pretend to as always.

Want to solve the illegal immigration issue? First, pass the legislation in the House and Senate that will do a blue card. Currently, it is stuck in committee and probably not going anywhere since there is resistance from GOP senators. Second, the Department of State to initiate a Latin America-wide economic liberalization conference to help improve their economies.

Take this one final note: if you think you were "winning the argument," you weren't. it shows the level of incompetence when it comes to certain voters of the conservative persuasion who are more interested in the talking points than the facts and circumstances.

 

When one has the border policies of the Biden administration it’s a true statement that he is poisoning our country with the flood of immigrants. It’s impossible to win this argument. Even states that are normally pro immigration are swinging the other way because of the migrant busses. You can try and turn this against Trump but he’s 110% right on this.

 

Strawman deflections line up with so many that worship the confessions through projection feature of Trumpism. America is a nation of immigrants.

 

Immigration needs to be controlled process. Only so many “general immigrants,” who are not political refugees, can be taken in per year. Social services can’t absorb all of them and continue to take care of American citizens. That is the simple truth.

As for criminals and terrorists, everyone should be oppressed to their entry. Anyone who says anything else is a fool.

 

We know, so many years after the end of WW2, that people still buy into the message of fear. Fear of the other person. (Meaning whole ethnic groups, be it Jews, Muslims, Ukrainian war-refugees, you name it.)

THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF YOUR MISERY!!! (Or so the dictator's rhetoric goes.)

We know where it led to under Hitler.

The people of the 1930's did not have the knowledge of a Holocaust.
But WE do. There are NO EXCUES not to know where classifying whole groups of people as inferior will lead to. As Trump did when claiming that immigrants are "destroying the blood of our country.''

Thus suggesting that Americans are of better blood than immigrants...
As if immigrants are not people.
Just a problem.

The first thing that Hitler did, when seeking power, was to categorize Jews as a problem. (The Jewish problem.)
NOT people... just a problem.
In fact, Hitler compared them to Tuberculosis.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/cont...-hitler-issues-comment-on-the-jewish-question
Medication? Deportation to camps. And then inventing other horrible ways to get rid of.

De-humanizing people to a mere problem is the first (and last) step to a racist ideology.

And then deploying the solution...

I thought Trump v.2016 was bad.
Turns out he is even worse than our worst fears.
Evil dictator hard at work.

 

Maybe you got confused about what post I was quoting but I'm quoting the post where you call Spirit guide a racist.

I don't know how you were able to miss that or misinterpret it........ it shows the level of incompetence when it comes to certain voters of the progressive persuasion who are more interested in the talking points than the facts and circumstances.

 

What the hell are "general immigrants?" Any immigrant coming here is either for family, work, or humanitarian effort. that's it. Whether or not they can get approved for whatever immigrant petiition is entirely a different matter, but any alien can apply generally, whether at the US Embassy/Consulate, POE, or wherever no matter their circumstances either in the US or abroad. It really does not matter in many cases. Nonimmigrant visas are a different matter, generally.

Federal social services generally do not and cannot under law support immigrants. Even green card holders who may be married to USC. The USC can, not the immigrant. State social services can if the law allows it. That is based on the 10th Amendment. If the state does, it is temporary generally for emergency food and shelter. Nonprofits will generally find a more permenant solution, but nearly all want to work to support their family back at home so that they can come here too.

 

Great post !!!!

Clear…..concise…..and TRUE

 

Never called Spiritguide a racist but you certainly accused me of calling you a racist. That was very explicit and dishonest even by your low standards. However, the logical conclusiopn is that Spiritguide and others like him really don't want those with darker skin than theirs. That is the only logical conclusion to be drawn from his pseudo-intellectual posts. spiritguide does not know much about immigration, and the general public doesn't either. But like the general public, they think that solutions require simple 30-second TV/Radio/Social Media ads with slcik gimmicks and so forth. Does not matter if it is immigration, climate change, fossil fuels, US history, or whatever. Ironically both Project 1619 and Project 1776 have more in common than they realize even though both are more falsehoods about US history than one can do in a forum such as this. When it comes to immigration, they are repeating the same mistakes we did in the past where we literally excluded people because of race/ethnicity/national origin/religion. Catholics were indirectly discriminated against when we had low quotas where Catholicism was prominant in the country, excluding France. This was Italy, pre WW1 up until 1965. We also did it with Asians and Latin America generally, and we did it specifically with Chinese and Africans. And yet, Spiritgguide wants to go back to the 1924 Immigration Act, which is what that act precisely did.

 

The illegals are coming here for free stuff. Currently 60% of them are on public assistance. The state and local governments simply can't keep millions of low skilled people who can't speak English on the dole. It is unsustainable. None of these people are applying to U.S. Embassy or Consulate. They are simply walking across the border. For all but a very small number, they show up on the border, and they are in.

A "general immigrant" is someone who comes here for any reason other than political asylum. There have been controls on the number of them who come here in the past, and we need to get control of them now. They are crossing by the tens of thousands every day now because they know the Federal Government under Biden will let them stay.

 

We DO NOT have a national language in the US. Some states do have more than one official language. In my state history, up until WW1, you might be suprised that German was the second most spoken language in Texas, not Spanish. After WW1 and WW2, German was never spoken, and some who joined hid that fact when they enlisted. We also put into internment camps, generally on the West Coast, Japanese, including Japanese Americans. We had laws, especially in California, where no white person can marry a Japanese person, including a US citizen. The Loving Case took care of that thank go. On the other hand, the 442 Regimental Combat Team, made up of Nissay, an American-born Japanese, as one of the most, if not most, decorated unitsi n US military history. Ironically, they helped save a Texas battalion in Northern Italy or Southern France, can't remember where, in which several members of the 442nd won silver stars, DSC, bronze stars, purple hearts, and a couple of medals of honor recipients. the other ironic thing is that America as a whole never really called them "Americans" while distrusting them simply because they were of Japanese descent. We are having the same argument now, except it is of Chinese descent. The laws that are written such as in Texas and Florida affect Chinese descent US Citizens as much as, if not more than, the law it is intended to target. Thus, someone who is of Chinese descent, US Citizen, and wants to buy farmland and own property will always be suspect, and possibly denied even though they provide a US passport or other such documents. It will affect those who are LPR as well, and green card holders have the same rights, other than voting, as any and all US Citizens. This is the problem within the GOP and its race-baiting politics that you guys tend to clap at every chance you get, or defend it for no good reason.

 

What free stuff? To quote a conservative axiom, there is nothing such as "free stuff." Or did you make your wife work in order to "earn" the food and shelter you gave her when you were young here?

Most are coming here to work, that is not free stuff. Most will do back breaking work that most americans don't want to do. We rather pop a pill and make everything go away than do back-breaking work these days.

Again, mind pointing out our national language? We don't have one. In parts of the US and US Territories, language is a community issue, not a national issue. In my state, depending on where you live, it is prudent to know more than one language. When I go to H Mart, I need to speak a little Korean or Chinese to get assistance. If my spouse is with me when we go to H Mart, it is no problem, but sometimes I get that "honey to-do list" in which my spouse asks me to pick up a couple of things at H Mart to eat. Or in parts of Louisiana or Florida where Creole is the preferred language. WE have enclaves of Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Filipino, and other countries in the US much the same as US enclaves in places like France, UK, Germany and elsewhere.

Why are Americans so daftly afraid of learning a second language? Even if we have Google Translate or something similar, most Americans don't want to learn a second language, not even a little, if other languages are spoken. I have never understood that.

 

If we want to have an honest conversation, unless your last name is “running deer”, or “standing elk”, or any other Native American name, YOU come from immigrants to the US

 

Yes of course the GOP and the people who supported are bad guys and you Democrats are angels and there's not a racist bone in your body......

Heaven forbid I should think that someone that moves to this nation learn the language
......

 

I guess I should learn to have even lower standards because when I quoted you it was very obvious what I was talking about because I was quoting your post where you of course did not come right out honestly and call Spirit guide a racist, but it is clear that that is what you meant.

Go back and try reading it again and let me know if you need some help connecting the events

 

???? January 20, 2017 transition saw widespread violence in DC while January 20 2021 was peaceful.

 

This is such a bad false equivalence deflection, it's unworthy of further interaction. Surely you can discuss the content of what Putin's Agent Orange is stoking, the actual topic(like my post actually addressed)?! Well, maybe not..

 

Keep denying reality, history will take care of Trump's legacy.

 

Their denial if recorded history will eventually hit them.

 

???? What history am I denying? There is video to confirm both Jan 20, 2017 and January 20, 2021.