Possible 90% REDUCTION in CO2 emmissions by 2035?

Exactly what? You said this:

The OP can’t provide an alternative that is less expensive than cow meat because no such alternative exists. The OP has no idea what he’s talking about. And you swallowed his disinformation. The product he is talking about is unproven pie-in-the-sky wishful thinking at this point. Here is what a peer reviewed study of known facts about precision fermentation shows.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10105885/

Because the OP doesn’t understand biology or the process he’s posting about he’s claimed there is a meat alternative that’s cheaper than meat (precision fermentation based proteins). There isn’t and there may never be. You fell for the disinformation. It’s not less expensive. It doesn’t exist at commercial scale. It’s not nutritionally equivalent to meat. The OP is nonsense.

All the economic analysis that is popularized and has fooled the OP has been done by companies looking for investors. It doesn’t include the costs to society of destroying the agricultural economies of countries technologically advanced enough to ferment on a large scale.

If people like the OP believe the commercial ag sector is going to pass off food production to fermenters they don’t know much about the ag sector. It’s as entrenched in fossil fuels as big oil and coal companies. Even if by some miracle precision fermentation could be scaled by 2030-2035 it wouldn’t have much market share. The Cargills, ADMs, Bunge’s, Tysons, etc. of the world aren’t going to be rolled over in that time period. They aren’t going to lose their trillions of dollars of global investment in infrastructure and production to fermentation.

To be clear, I’m not opposed to precision fermentation or other types of mycoproteins. I’m simply pointing out the OP is nonsense not based on facts.

 

YOUR dishonest disparagement of my abilities above exposes deliberate intention to provoke an emotional response.

Facts lack emotion.

However I can appreciate why there is so much PROJECTION in that content of yours.

 

I self funded mine using an IRA loan repayable in 5 years.

That applies GENERALLY but NOT as much to HOMEOWNERS. If there is EQUITY in their homes they can use that as collateral for a bank loan.

For those WITHOUT the options above many Utilities have Contracts whereby you pay them a higher monthly fee and they install the solar system as being Grid tied. Once that contract is paid off the homeowner can then add batteries and go off grid if they want.

Long term payoff WORKS whatever means is used to FUND the INVESTMENT in Solar.

 

That is a FALSEHOOD, I have NEVER posted anything of that nature.

Utterly IRRELEVANT content noted.

WTAF?

WHY would it concern YOU that there were PAYMENTS made between FAMILY members who do NOT hold any office?

Please show us where YOU have DEMANDED to see ALL of the PAYMENTS between the FAMILY members of the TRAITOR-in-Chief?

Oh, that does NOT CONCERN you?

The Dumbass Duo aren't LAUNDERING money through any of the 500 or so SHELL corps so as to AVOID paying taxes and giving the Bigliest LOSER his CUT on the sly?

There is a term for this type of narrowly focused ocular occlusion rotation.

 

DEBUNKED disinformation content duly noted.

There are THREE Tesla Model S EV's with OVER 300,000 miles on the ORIGINAL battery.

https://www.fleetandleasing.com/lea...del S vehicles,S has been improved repeatedly.

Recently saw a review of the MG4 EV after 100,000 miles in just 2 years and the battery was still measuring 96% of Original FULL charge.

The batteries do NOT need to be REPLACED "multiple times over that range".

BATTERIES have IMPROVED significantly.

They just discovered enough LITHIUM deposits right HERE in the USA sufficient for over 300 MILLION EV's.

Lithium is ENDLESSLY recyclable.

 

Over 114 years old lols!

 

Well done, you figured it out.

This will happen BECAUSE people WILL want to SAVE money for THEMSELVES.

When your NEIGHBORS are doing it and BRAGGING about their LONG TERM savings and showing off their EV and BRAGGING that the Solar means they are SAVING a FORTUNE just by not paying up the yazoo filling the tanks of their SUV's every week.

 

That's 100,000 miles with 'only' a 30% loss in battery capacity (that's the warranty, anyway). OIOW, if it has a range of 400 miles new, then it has a range of 280 miles once the warranty runs out. No thx. And the better batteries are the more expensive batteries. You can get the cheap ones, they have less range and lose range faster. And sure, technology will improve. I'll wait until AFTER it improves and I can get similar range out of a used EV as I can out of a used ICE.

How Long Do Electric Car Batteries Last? - Car and Driver

 

It depends if that science benefits the general welfare of the united states or just specific groups or really no one. Example military science (atomic bomb) vs a study on dolphins mating habits VS Ala special project to build a power plant in Colorado.

 

OK, but do you think fossil fuels should be made less available by limiting drilling and/or more expensive with higher taxes to manipulate market participation in the mean time?

 

I don't think advising people living paycheck-to-paycheck to get more bank loan is sound advice... unless you're a banker, of course. Over 60% of the US lives paycheck-to-paycheck btw. Its pretty likely they will miss payments and get screwed by the banks.

 

You are correct that is what the Constitution stipulates and I believe that I CLARIFIED the same point with another poster.

Whether or not we PERSONALLY agree or disagree with that understanding is a different topic.

What We the People CURRENTLY have is a government OF the People that FUNDS Scientific projects for the LONG TERM benefit OF the People.

It is what it is and there are those trying to change what it is but NONE of that alters what is HAPPENING now.

Think about HOW these changes are going to impact YOUR life and that of your loved ones in the next decade or so instead. Then look at the POLICY platforms of the political parties themselves. Then make the choices that YOU believe are in the BEST interests of yourself and your loved ones.

NOTE that the above applies IRRESPECTIVE of WHERE you are on the political SPECTRUM.

Politicians on ALL sides want to DISTRACT all of US with PETTY issues because THEIR goal is to win THIS election, they do NOT GAF about 2035, they don't even GAF about 2025.

WE need to be the ones who are LOOKING into the FUTURE and seeing what we should be doing NOW so that we are NOT blindsided when it happens all around us.

Like it or not WE are ALL in this TOGETHER.

 

Thanks, reply link below.

Solving climate crisis will require a total transformation of global energy

 

Actually, it's not too hard to argue that Solyndra is in fact within the provisions of the constitution, my thinking being that in the preamble is the phrase "to promote the general welfare" meaning that the entire mission of the government would include the general well-being of the population. However that's not the point, which is that a democracy must have lhe limits of a republic.

If a group consistently votes to have the richest person pay for everything then eventually that rich guy will leave. It's not healthy. What makes Solyndra et.al. so egregious is that the entire silly climate fuss is too controversial to justify fleecing the rich.

OK, we can agree that the rich must be taxed at a higher rate because they got the money. Taxing the poor yields nothing. At the same time we don't want to kill the golden goose for nonsense. The entire climate issue is not something the general population agrees on.

 

We're together on this as discussed in my post #114, where I went on to point out that we got here a case where we're all funding an issue that only half the population goes along w/.

imho Climate is silly. I don't want to be taxed big time for harmful silly policies.

 

WTF are you talking about?

The MG4 battery loss was ONLY 6% after 100,000 miles. That MATCHES the Tesla data.

Battery prices are DROPPING so RAPIDLY that the most expensive Tesla battery with an Original price of $10 a decade ago is now around HALF that price NOW.

The TREND for the price of batteries is DOWN.

But let me ask YOU how many people need MORE than 280 miles of RANGE on a DAILY basis?

The average commute is 41 miles so 280 miles of range would STILL have 75 miles of range REMAINING by the END of a 5 day WEEK.

Your WORST case scenario FAILS scutiny.

 

Nope, the greed obsessed Wall Street Casino Banksters WILL do that MARKET MANIPULATION for themselves in order to MAXIMISE their WEALTH before the Fossil Fuel Cartel SHRINKS to INSIGNIFICANCE in global affairs.

 

I posted the link where I got my data. I dont think a car review site has much incentive to lie.

Average commute is meaningless. People want to be able to go away for the weekend without having to rent a car or spend hours charging it on the way. Otherwise they would be driving more EVs.

 

Sad that you never bothered to ask WHY they are living that way and what would ALLEVIATE that situation?

The PLIGHT of hardworking Americans is a different TOPIC.

There will be STATE and FEDERAL programs to ASSIST those in this situation.

That is as it MUST be in ALL these situations.

We are ALL in this TOGETHER.

WHINING about PAYING for OTHERS is a waste of emotional energy and does exactly eff-all to resolve it.

REDUCING the Utility bills of those living paycheck-to-paycheck will ENABLE them to RISE above that situation.

 

I have a buddy here in Texas that is a bit of a fanatic about being an R. Still adamantly believes in the DFT lie about the election being stolen. About the only political subject he goes left on is in regard to a woman's right to choose. That of course is an entirely separate subject, or is it?

Anyway, my man is a bit of a bubba, as am I on occasion. Bubba Grey. I like this word, bubba. It's a USGC honorarium as far as I'm concerned.

Since his particular skillset, Autocad & Intools instrument design work, has largely been outsourced to India by almost every Houston shop where it was in demand: he has taken an early retirement about two years before his SS minimum eligibility kicked in. Left the workforce, so you won't find him in the unemployment stats. Dude expresses concerns about Southern Border immigration, but I've never once heard or seen him complain about the frictionless outsourcing of his former desktop job to Mumbai, or maybe it was Baroda. Meh, at the end of the day neither Hillary nor DFT and now Biden are doing anything to stem the tide of STEM outsourcing to India. Yay Nikki Haley - she's sure to address this issue. Wait, what?

He moved into a pre-built house over toward Beaumont and he's riding on top of a stash of cash he plays with in the market.

And he installed some PVs.



This particular series of pics he shared was to demonstrate that PVs need to be cleaned and he emphasized that cleaning means soap and water, rinsing them off is not enough.

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Texas is an interesting state and in spite of the clout the xtofascists hold here and real gems it has placed in office such as Paxton, Cruz, and one of my personal disdain-able favorites, Ghomert: It's Ercot system is unique and vastly greener than most of the US average power plants.

Ercot is very close to 1/3 powered by wind and solar. I explained how this fuel mix was a disaster in a previous post about the Feb13-20 2021 winter vortices that blew through TX.

https://www.ercot.com/files/docs/2023/02/07/IntGenbyFuel2023.xlsx



Ercot's "green" fuel sources are double those reported by the EIA nationally,

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

 

TBH I don't want my taxes to subsidize Red states that pass hateful legislation against people like myself so we are both in the same taxpayer boat even if we are pulling on different oars.

While it seems ONEROUS when the politicians screech about outrageous amounts the net impact on you or I is minute FRACTIONS of a cent on the dollar.

Not worth the emotional energy.

The vast bulk of this transformation is going to be funded by corporations and Utilities and yes, consumers will end up paying for it but we are doing that ALREADY in our utility bills. All that changes is that the utility switches AWAY from Fossil Fuels and TOWARDS Green Energy and your power continues to flow just as it did before the change over.

 

What a lot of waffle!! Sooooo in the years since Solyndra I gather there has been few if any repeats??

 

How far are they driving in a weekend??

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/06/business/americans-bought-1-million-electric-this-year/index.html

 

We AGREE that C&D was NOT the one with any "INCENTIVE to LIE".

This is the FULL CONTEXT that you OMITTED.

https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31875141/electric-car-battery-life/

While your use of 30% was accurate it does NOT tell the FULL story.

Complete and utter NONSENSE!

Do the MATH, just DRIVING 280 miles takes about 5 hours so going FURTHER will take even LONGER. And that is just ONE WAY. Driving BOTH ways for 10+ hours over a WEEKEND does NOT constitute "going away for a weekend". If you are going to be TRAVELLING that DISTANCE you will use a different form of transportation.

Most weekend getaways are rarely more than a couple of hours away in my personal experience.

Your argument lacks merit in that it attempts to disingenuously CONFLATE the absence of EV's with occasional WEEKEND trips because you CANNOT argue that the average commuting distance is what ACTUALLY matters when PURCHASING a vehicle with a 280 mile range.

 

My intent was not to disparage, merely to make a point that we still keep an eye on what our neighbors are doings. Odds are your friend has already fielded questions from his neighbors about his solar panels.

Yes, they do need cleaning occasionally, but I oversized so I only clean them once a year.

Thanks for the Ercot info, as I recall it was the Renewables that kept the lights on in Texas the last time the grid collapsed. The adoption of Renewables is a no-brainer in a state with that amount of sunshine. Needless to say there will be politics at work but the Utilities still end up making the decisions that are most cost effective for themselves.