Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. notme

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    From the river to the sea is actually a Jewish slogan by origin.
     
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    We had to kill a lot of civilians to win World War II.
     
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    So when Jews started immigrating to the Levant in the 1800's, there was no way that people from multiple Muslim nations started immigrating there too? How many of those "ethnic" Palestinians that lost their land in 1948 just arrived there?

    I think the Jewish immigrants were mostly fleeing persecution, although there were some moving there for primarily religious reasons. But I also think that people funneled into the region en masse from what is today Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Libya, and others in response to the Jewish immigration. And 100% of those came for religious reasons, and almost none were fleeing persecution...
     
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    The Hamas terrorism happened because of decades of Israeli Terrorism and crimes against humanity .. so the bombs are falling because of Israeli terrorism. Got the blame thing all backwards .. can't distinguish up from down .. kind of like your handle :)
     
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    An unfortunate reality but the existential threat to the existence of European Nations was real .. and not imagined :)
     
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    Likud's Charter still calls for a single Jewish state on all of historic Palestine:

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...a-palestinian-state-in-gaza-west-bank-report/

    "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has reportedly met with at least 10 backbenchers in his Likud party over the past week in an effort to ensure their continued support, as the ruling party drops further and further in the polls since the war.

    "'I am the only one who will prevent a Palestinian state in Gaza and [the West Bank] after the war,' the Kan public broadcaster quotes Netanyahu as having told the lawmakers."
     
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    Right .. which is why El Saud is our best brother in the Middle east .. Next to Israel that is .. Israeli Hostages do not deserve to be killed.. .. what is the code name ? Hannibal or something like that... Tell me about Hannibal CD .. what the Israeli's mean by that .. and why you love El Saud so much .. given treatment of Gays .. and rape victims ?

    We give El Saud all kinds of arms to help them exercise their right of self defense .. given the Ukrainian freedom fighters arms to help them against the evil Occupier waging war on them .. for sure we should be doing the same for the Palestinians .. should we not.

    Some kind of hypocritical moral silliness going on here somewhere .. typical of the cancel club .. must be from the prog Dem side of the equation .. but, even they starting to buckle towards the Plight of innocent civilians in Palestine being slaughtered like animals .. a continuation of the decades long Zionist program of Ethnic Cleansing . - Biden now a member of the club LOL .. that was a funny one .. Biden and Club Zion.. What a freaken embarrassment that is aye mate :)
     
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    Muslim's will not accept Jewish supremacy; would you?
    Israel removed its military and civilian occupation force from Gaza in 2005 leaving behind a military blockade that controls 3 of 4 land borders, all territorial waters, airspace, population registry, water, electricity, and internet services. Israel continued its occupation of Gaza by other means until October 7th; now, it doesn't have control and will likely never again regain it.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...za-areas-where-they-had-withdrawn-2024-01-16/
     
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    Inhabited parts of Palestine to expel and kill the people there and to settle Jews from Eastern Europe. :(

    I didn't. They don't want to establish a new state nor displace the locals. Illegal immigrants don't come with the intention of war, so they are not invaders. You seem to be a bit overwhelmed by this topic. :)

    Btw, Slovenia joins S.Africa in the fight against Zionist crimes, which are:
    Minister Fajon: Slovenia one of the few EU Member States in the ICJ advisory opinion proceedings against Israel | GOV.SI
     
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    Basically, everything some random Jew yells about how they fear they are going to be treated is how their Jewish homeland is treating others.
     
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    All of Israel, plus the land Israel conquered in the Six Day War is less than one percent of Arab land. If the Palestinians had the good sense to move, they would not be bombed.
     
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    They controlled all borders.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah_Border_Crossing

    On 26 November 2005, the crossing was opened for the first time under the European Union's supervision, while the Israeli army kept a video watch from a nearby base and retained control over the movement of all goods and trade in and out of Gaza.

    And so with that, they turned all of Gaza into an open air prison, and deliberately destroyed it's entire economy and made millions of people being jobless and dependent on foreign aid due to their race. And when you tread millions of people like that due to their race, you will end up having less than a 1% of the population who will bring the fight to the them without a care in the world who needs to die, because they got nothing to lose. Do note, all adult Israeli's who they captured at one point probably participated in the IDF and so are responsible for the violent racist oppression.
     
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    Nearly all EU members. They've been living in peace for a long time. They have no desire for big armies and a lot of patriotism. But ruZZia's war of aggression against Ukraine has changed this. :(
     
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    Jericho III can reach any target in Iran.
     
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    No. I pointed out that without US support Israel might be more inclined to use their entire arsenal.
     
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    Bombing of residential areas was declared a war crime after WW2, as the military benefits are more than doubtful.

    However, such findings don't seem to be of interest for Netanyahu & his IDF gangsters.
    They say they are fighting only Hamas, but that's a lie for the TV. Zionists are shameless and bad liars (like comrade Pooteen). Their hidden goal is to expel or exterminate the population of Gaza.
    Ethnic cleansing, everybody can see this. :(
     
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    There would be no real arsenal, and you're not responding to that argument.
    You pretend that the US is only like cheerleading at the side, while you're aware the US sends massive amounts of free weapons. And this nonsense you're pulling is getting dull.
     
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    Of course we send weapons to the Israelis. They are defending themselves against terrorist aggressors.
     
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    The Israelis seem to be trying to deport all the Palestinians from the land they conquered in the 1967 Six Day War. They should have done this right after the Six Day war, when they had most of world opinion on their side.
     
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    1. Genocide is not specific to or limited to fascist policy. The term fascist like is simply an attempt by you to leave yourself an open ended definition to call anything you want fascist if its not. Its a transparent technique and you need to know it fools no one. Fascist ideology is specific. It started with Mussolini and then Hitler and then Franco of Spain and became popular in Argentina with Person and Stroessner in Paraguay and with specific Greek politicians.

    You should be well aware genocide was not and has never been limited to people who support fascist ideology or your attempt to suggest anyone who has engaged in genocide is fascist like without defining what fascism is to mean what fascist like is.

    Not withstanding your lazy attempt to throw out meaningless stereotypes a list of genocides across history time lines would make it clear most genocides happened long before fascism appeared.

    I assume from the above reference to "fascist like" you are young and rely heavily on specific web sites you scan to them believe you are an authority on genocide.

    Here start with this list from wikepedia as I doubt if I give you a history text reference you would read it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides

    No calling them all fascist like won't work.


    2. No one argued on this thread that opposing Zionism is by itself anti-semitic. When someone throws that out as you have when its never been argued it is apparent its a deflection technique from the actual issues you are being challenged on to make yourself a victim-we all know the tactic and its stale and transparent and typical script inserted in AI responses by political spambots not humans.

    3. South Africa has filed a genocide claim against Israel for political reasons.

    You are well aware that by arguing Israel is commiting genocide this is designed to do 2 political things:

    i-deflect from and ignore the fact that Palestinians in Gaza are dying not because the IDF has targetted them deliberately but in fact because Hamas built its missile launch sites and operations from civilian residences, schools, mosques and hospitals deliberately to use its citizens as shields to die so they can use their death as a public relations stunt as you do to say the IDF is targeting the civilians while they in fact target Hamas who hold them hostage. The IDF in fact is trying to rescue not only its own hostages but Gaza civilians from being held hostage by Hamas and its intent is to prevent the genocide of Jews world wide and Israeli Jews which is the specific goal of Hamas which South Africa and you will not call out precisely because of your select political manipulation of what Hamas does. To be even more specific you will not call out Hamas killed the innocent children and citizens it did in Israel including mutilation, torture and calling home to cheer on what they did not to mention deliberately placing Gaza civilians too in direct fire to die. You stay silent on that and the rape and torture they engage in with hostages today as we speak;

    ii-you remain silent to the very words of Hamas that call for a genocide of the world's Jews but you do seem to think like South Africa that if Israel defends itself against this call to wipe it and all Jews out and it defends itself, Israel engages in genocide. You use the genocide accusation to argue Israel can not defend itself from genocide and therein lies your political agenda and its transparent and makes a mockery of the term genocide.

    These are the words of genocide and they do not come from Israel:

    May 02, 2011

    Ismail Haniyeh, head of the Hamas administration in the Gaza Strip commenting on the killing of Osama Bin Laden, May 2, 2011
    "We regard this as a continuation of the American policy based on oppression and the shedding of Muslim and Arab blood…We condemn the assassination and the killing of an Arab holy warrior. We ask God to offer him mercy with the true believers and the martyrs."

    Sermon delivered by 'Atallah Abu Al-Subh, former Hamas minister of culture, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV, April 8, 2011, translation by MEMRI
    "Whoever is killed by a Jew receives the reward of two martyrs, because the very thing that the Jews did to the prophets was done to him.

    "The Jews are the most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face of the Earth, because they have displayed hostility to Allah.

    "Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the world to come, just like they killed the believers in the hell of this world.

    "The Jews kill anyone who believes in Allah. They do not want to see any peace whatsoever on Earth."



    Dr. Yussuf Al-Sharafi, Hamas representative, April 12, 2007; as reported by Palestinian Media Watch, April 23, 2007
    "...the Jewish faith does not wish for peace nor stability, since it is a faith that is based on murder: 'I kill, therefore I am'... Israel is based only on blood and murder in order to exist, and it will disappear, with Allah's will, through blood and Shahids [martyrs]."

    Sheikh Dr. Ahmad Bahar, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, April 20, 2007; as reported by Palestinian Media Watch, April 23, 2007
    "This is Islam, that was ahead of its time with regards to human rights in the treatment of prisoners, but our nation was tested by the cancerous lump, that is the Jews, in the heart of the Arab nation... Be certain that America is on its way to utter destruction, America is wallowing [in blood] today in Iraq and Afghanistan, America is defeated and Israel is defeated, and was defeated in Lebanon and Palestine... Make us victorious over the community of infidels... Allah, take the Jews and their allies, Allah, take the Americans and their allies... Allah, annihilate them completely and do not leave anyone of them."



    Abdel Aziz Rantisi, Hamas leader, June 10, 2003, interview with Al-Jazeera, Jerusalem Post
    "By God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. We will fight them with all the strength we have. This is our land, not the Jews..."

    Hamas communiqué, March 9, 1989, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine
    "We declared and continue to declare now, that a Jew is a Jew... [do not trust them when they say they want peace because they act only] to serve their religion and their people."

    Hamas communiqué, October 5, 1988, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine
    "The Jews: killed the prophets…slaughtered the innocent…imprisoned our pious... NO PEACE WITH THE MURDERERS."

    Hamas communiqué, September 8, 1988, translated and distributed in the U.S. by the Islamic Association for Palestine

    "Let everyone know that Hamas... is only against Jews and those twisted in their manner... it realizes the Jews' methods in trying to cause hostility and friction between people..."

    "We should lend punches to the Jews wherever possible [to commemorate Muhammad's defeat of one of the Jewish tribes of Arabia]."
     
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    Collective Punishment = War Crime :) Rule of Law Violation - one person not to be punished for the actions of another ..

    When the bad guy wanders past your apartment block and the cops level the whole building killing wife and child .. the bad guy not the one to blame .. not the one did the killing.

    Upside Down .. Inside Out .. and Round .. Round
     
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    There are some excellent examples of that projection on display on the West Bank today; although, western media often fails to mention this, much less point out the fact Hamas has no significant presence in that particular Occupied Territory:

    https://www.btselem.org/press_relea...king_to_fulfil_state_goal_of_judaizing_area_c

    "Since the war in Gaza began, violence against Palestinians has shot up in the West Bank.

    "In just ten days, soldiers and settlers have killed 62 Palestinians and injured dozens.

    "Israel has put up roadblocks throughout the West Bank, closed off main roads to Palestinians and significantly restricted their movement.

    "Israel has also ramped up efforts to drive Palestinian communities and single-family farms out of their homes and land, cynically exploiting the war to promote its political agenda of taking over more land in the West Bank."
     
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    I never said genocide was "specific to or limited to fascist policy". I said it is "fascist-like". The fascism of Mussolini and Hitler are the standard examples of regimes that carry out genocidal policies. When we read or hear the word "genocide" we typically also hear reference to one or both of these regimes. Therefore they have become the standard identity of genocide.

    So genocide is not limited to fascism. Again, I never said it is. If you're going to quote and/or criticize what I write, please be accurate.

    I never said there were cases of it in this thread. So thanks for that distortion. It is common for Zionists and supporters of Zionism to claim that anti-Zionism is antisemitism, and all you need do to see it is to consider the response in Congress when Ilhan Omar stood in opposition to Zionism. She and others have been forced to apologize for "antisemitism" when what they said was not antisemitism at all. And you can thank the Zionist lobby for that bit of distortion and coercion.

    If Hamas were being targeted, Hamas terrorists should at least comprise half the deaths, but it turns out that Israeli estimates are that 70% to 80% of those the IDF has killed are Palestinian civilians, and of those about 70% have been women and children. In addition, "the Israeli military has repeatedly dropped leaflets and sent messages telling residents they must leave their homes and 'evacuate' to areas it claims are safer, which are south of the Wadi Gaza wetlands." And then the IDF bombed them in those areas. But you say Palestinians are only being killed because you believe the Zionist propaganda that says it's because Hamas holes up in Palestinian residential areas.

    So now you criticize me for things you make up about what I would say. I've taken a stand against Hamas terrorists. But you're not one to complain about others manipulating facts when I've already pointed out your manipulation and misquoting of my own written comments.

    Pure bullshit and more misrepresentation buried in your word salad that is nearly indecipherable. I'll thank you to stop putting words in my mouth and instead, ASK.

    More invented bullshit. Is that all you have?

    Which is most worthy of protest: genocide, or empty threats of genocide?

    huh?

    Osama Bin Laden????????

    Any reader of this now knows you're desperately reaching. And what about your honesty when you now reach for Bin Laden in an attempt to vilify me, implying I'm a supporter of terrorists? Pretty despicable tactics!
     
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    Indeed the Palestinians are defending themselves against terrorist aggressors .. hence why we must arm and support the Palestinians like we did Ukraine. support the freedom fighters against the foreign occupiers.
     
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    The Palestinians have chosen war over peace every time since 1948.
     
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