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I do not care how many millions of Ukrainians and Russians die. I do not care about who controls the contested territories. None of these are a factor in a pro-US foreign policy. Is that clear? The only thing that is of importance, is our ability to conduct trade and commerce with friendly nations, and to stay clear of armed conflict.

Anything that achieves this is welcomed. Anything that goes against this, we won't do. My goal for a pro-US foreign policy is not to weaken the Kremlin, but to strengthen the WH.

If it so happens the Kremlin is weakened, that's an afterthought, not a policy. Did I reject the pro-EU Washington Establishment enough or are we still confused?

 

I have to admit Washington had my attention with their disinformation concerning Russia's might. When in reality they had nothing but nukes, other than that they're wussy's.

Conventual warfare, it had been a 30 day spanking for the ol Kremlin

 

Ironically, back in 2012, it was former President Obama, who was the voice of reason:



Then Queen Hillary lost her throne and now they're rushing into this EU-Russian spat, really to get payback more or less.

 

Let's just pray they never get that Chinese weather Balloon tech.

 

Well, that doesn't really represent the reality of what the US is. Many have sympathies to their countries of origin. Just how it is.

I'm guessing you're American going back a few generations.

I can see you're quite an extremist now. Not much point debating if it's zero with no compromise. Trump's your man! You enjoy that!

 

I disagree. US national security and US national interest have always been intertwined. (Btw didn't you fight in the Iraq war? Consider that in US national security interest?)

Well you'd have to see beyond each day and a little forward in time. What about Japan and South Korea? Do you think you should have let them go after World war 2?

 

Wow... can you explain that post? What does South Korea have to do with WWII? And what do you mean by "let them go"? Once Japan was defeated, we helped them rebuild and join the world's other nations.

 

In your opinion. Some would say that Ukraine being an up and coming democracy would be very relevant to trade. But whatever...

 

Korea was carved up during World war II. That's when South Korea began.

Japan remains an ally that you would defend and an asset to you and the world community. You helped shape that.

 

US interests... economic, national security, etc. are my concern. I just don't see what Ukraine has to do with any of that. They were our enemy for decades as part of the USSR and no one made a big deal about it. Why are they so important now? They aren't NATO.

What des South Korea have to do with WWII? What do you mean by "letting go" in reference to Japan?

 

Sri Lanka may be "up and coming" too... so what? Is it worth our hundreds of billions?

 

Yes. South Korea and Japan are our friends. I like that. I'm not sre what you are trying to say...Ukraine never went to war with us... so why should we care? Japan did. Korea's partition had little to do with us.

 

European stability and security are essential to the United States. Russia’s imperialist expansion upsets this stability and unparalleled economic growth. War on the European continent affects America’s interests and economy.

 

I'm sure you've heard the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? That sounds like the best place to start. Russia is now a pariah nation. It will be a solid decade plus AFTER the Ukraine War is over AND Putin is feeding the worms (not sure how one comes without the other) before they'll be allowed back in/near western circles.

If you have a way for us to truly help the Uyghurs or North Koreans without the US itself going to war, we're all ears...

 

Way too broad a statement. The "stability and security" of Europe are not significantly affected by anything that happens to Ukraine. Heck, Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union for decades and it never really mattered to Britain, France, Germany and the rest at all.

 

Ukraine joining the West and a friend is better than Ukraine expanding the Russian block. A better world, better stability, more trade and prosperity for everyone.

I don't know how else to put it. Now how many hundreds of billions $US its worth I don't know... But it looks like Europe is stepping up with its military investments. Hopefully you can pare things back with a stronger military Europe.

I agree that the US has disproportionately been used and abused for its military $$$. But some of it was by US choice.

 

That was before Ukraine became a pivotal country. Things change. It's a big country with a large population ready to learn and willing to take on western values. Not sure what the problem is here, other than the amount of dollars invested in this war.

 

Whether the Ukraine becomes realigned with Moscow or remains independent will have little or no impact on US National Security.

 

Ukraine was part of the Soviet sphere for decades and no one cared. If it realigns with Moscow or remains independent really has little impact on US National Security one way or the other.

 

Pivotal? LOL... the word that springs to my mind is "insignificant". Of no real consequence one way or the other.

 

Well, I'm sorry to hear that... a lot of people, especially people who have been over there, do...

America likes an underdog against a bully.... men or countries... why don't you??

 

It would appear that The Pentagon disagrees with you. But of course individuals are always welcome to their opinions.

 

See post #13

I don't see Ukraine ever "realigned" with Moscow ever again.... Moscow is only one tiny step ahead of Pyongyang in the world pecking order at this point...

 

And that's a whole other argument there. Doing what feels right.


Good for you. I've given up taking moral arguments to isolationists. They really don't seem to care.

 

I like to help underdogs... but not hundreds of billions of dollars worth.