Biden offers fresh assurances he would shut down border ‘right now’ if Congress sends him a deal

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  1. AARguy

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    Russia would be out of its mind to attack a NATO nation. That would unleash ALL of NATO on them. Russia has pretty much established itself as incompetent in waging war. Their first move, a direct attack on Kiev, resulted in a massively long traffic jam in a single line, practically bumper to bumper. Even the most junior Officer knows you travel in COLUMN initially for speed, but at first contact, you disperse laterally into a LINE formation. The Russians just stayed in column and got clobbered by Ukrainians using American JAVELINS to slaughter them. The Russians never knocked out Ukrainian power, never interrupted their communications, never suppressed Ukrainian air defense... never did all the "first move" things that have been standard opening gambits in offensive warfare almost for 100 years. As a result, Russia was never able to establish air superiority, never able to mass overwhelming force at any strategic point, and, generally, never make much progress. We've seen its newest battle tanks get disabled by the gun on a Bradley (amazing), Patriot missiles knock down about any aircraft, rocket or missile thrown against Ukraine, major components of the Russian forces leave the battle area and head home, Russian citizens run away from the draft and more. If BIG BAD Russia gets fought to a standstill by the relatively weak Ukraine... it represents no viable threat to NATO at all.

    Just one more comment. If the Biden administration paid any attention at all to the Pentagon, the disastrous, chaotic and totally embarrassing skedaddle from Afghanistan would never have occurred. It would have been conducted in a much more orderly, organized and effective manner. And the Taliban wouldn't be armed to the teeth today.
     
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    "To date, Congress has passed four spending packages in response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine— $113 billion in total. The $113 billion spans agencies and bureaus and provides for much-needed support in areas including military equipment, migration and refugee assistance, energy, and countering disinformation."
    (The Past, Present, and Future of U.S. Assistance to Ukraine: A Deep Dive into the Data (csis.org))
     
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    If true, I still would have thought that Stalin made worse mistakes. I guess it depends what's important to you.

    And looky here, you've already moved to your attention from Ukraines to Poles. Ever Westward, eh?
     
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    This says as of about a month ago, only about 75 billion had actually been delivered.

    https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
     
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    So the price of gas has been spiking since you were born?
     
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    And the bill he's referring to has been loaded like a pack mule with funding he wants.

    Joe can sign an executive order and reduce illegal immigration right now. He doesn't even need a law to do it.
    I explained it in an earlier post here: Stop granting the right to apply for asylum to people who enter illegally.
    Make it available only to those who apply at the port of entry or any embassy.
    Elon Musk stated a similar approach, that of requiring proof of need to accompany the application for asylum.

    "Asylum" is the magic pass-word that stops deportation, overwhelms the system's capacity and sets illegals loose in America. The drug cartels have made illegal entry into an industry, and charge these people huge sums to take them to crossing points- tell them to claim asylum. They distribute printed instructions on how to do it, what to say. Given what we keep seeing of Joe's financial shenanigans, I have to wonder if the cartels aren't paying Joe to keep the border open. He's damn sure not doing it for the good of America, and it's clear he's willing to sell us out in other areas. .
     
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    Biden is POTUS, not Trump

    Do you think he should shut the border or continue to allow illegal aliens to flood into the country?
     
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    Biden has been using the border to blackmail Republicans for a sweet Immigration Bill deal and now Biden also wants more spending for Ukraine. The tyrant King Biden is a treasonous POS!
     
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    You don't communicate well. The end.
     
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    It always does
     
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    I know, I was reaffirming your post.
    In reality, the border will never be shut down. We have a lot of economic activity going through the border. Our economy depends on border traffic.
    Now if they mean by shutting it down, the entry points that are not official entry points, it's likely already as shut down as it can be.
    Which is why the apprehensions are way up. People are getting caught or turning themselves in upon entry.
     
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    When they carried their own weight, we USA, was dragged into 2 World wars.

    Our country is stable.
    And I believe this thread is about more legislation to give a president more power at our border.
    But the RW of the House don't seem to want that.
    So, the RW of Americans don't seem to be good with that.
     
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    Correlation is not causation.

    Homeless over running San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, etc. shooting up in broad daylight and crapping in the streets is not stability. Businesses shutting their doors in cities across America because of rampant theft and abuse to their employees due to a justice system that doesn't want to prosecute is not stability. People shutting down city streets and blocking highways because they selfishly believe their personal politics is more important than someone else's freedom to go about their daily business unmolested is not stability. The massive amounts of violence we have in this country and the perps walking away with slaps on the wrist is not stability. The border situation is most certainly not stability. I could keep going, but I believe you get the idea. If you think any of this is emblematic of a stable country then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. You're in denial.
     
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    exactly, the right doesn't want a solution to this or they would pass the bill
     
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    You're moving the goalpost. First your defense was all the money we are spending on Ukraine is going to American companies. That's far from being true and even if it was, we are over $30 trillion in debt, so this is money we don't have and that spending addiction is what has fueled our current inflationary cycle.

    Furthermore, you don't know that Moldova would be next, but even for the sake of argument you're right and that Putin wouldn't stop with Ukraine (I actually tend to agree with you on that), as I proposed to another poster yesterday, what is Europe's responsibility here? This is their backyard and we're the ones doing the heavy lifting. You have 44 countries on the European continent with their own militaries. Maybe it's time they step up and stop using us a crutch. It's one thing for us to offer them some support. It's quite another to be bearing the majority of the burden.

    The Roman and British Empires eventually fell because they tried to be everything to everyone everywhere. We should be learning from their errors. Instead we are repeating them.
     
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    But the stability for the last 80 yrs is another data point.

    Cities issues are not Country issues. And don't fall for all the stuff you read on the internet. Do they have issues, yes,but not as bad as you seem to portray.
    And those businesses are shutting down in pockets of some cities.

    I am not in denial. I just don't get over emotional on every day issues or believe in conspiracy theories.
     
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    It
    It's trump's only talking point he has on the campaign trail.
    If it's passed, he will only have himself left to talk about.
     
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    Most people know the inflation cycle we are in was covid pandemic induced. And it encompassed the entire world. In fact, the world rushed to US$ to help with their own inflation. So our debt has little to do with the inflation. That is now nearing the fed res target goal.

    We may have learned from the Romans and British, while we are the worlds police. We are not the typical empire of our president controlling those foreign lands. We try to install puppet regimes to run those lands.
     
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    What executive order could he sign today?
    trump tried many, the only legal and constitutional one he got to stick was the pandemic induced health of country one. Which Biden kept during the pandemic.

    I suppose he could EO the theft of money to build a mostly useless wall. But that is putting a bandaid on the problem.
     
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    Why do we need a bill to secure the border? Biden opened the border without a bill, so he can secure the border without a bill.

    Don't forget, Biden said he literally wanted a surge at the border, he said we can handle 2 million illegals a year, he raised his hand on the debate stage, and he further guaranteed more chaos at the border when he put Harris in charge of it. Opening the border was INTENTIONAL!!!!

    So after what I just wrote, all of it factual, do you think Biden would keep his word on securing the border? Also, why does anyone anywhere need to negotiate our border security? That should be a no brainer.
     
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    Nobody opened the border....

    Do you really think anybody is going to fall for that?

    If the US arrests/detains ONE (1) person coming over the border, it is, by definition, NOT open...

    Also, VP Harris was never "put in charge of" the border. She was given the task to find ways to reduce migration to the US. Admittedly unsuccessful to this point, but it was a pot of **** for anybody to be handed...
     
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    So when was the last significant spike?
     
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    after covid
     
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    See post 198
     
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    Joe Biden and Hunter Biden are two sides of the coin. Neither is honest or trustworthy. If we passed the most perfect border security bill possible, there is not guarantee that Biden will enforce the law. I have zero faith in Joe Biden. He is a liar.
     
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