Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

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  1. AFM

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    The 1947 United Nations partition plan for the area formerly part of the Ottoman Empire and administered by Britain until 1947 was a peace plan. The United Nations did not implement a plan which would purposefully lead to war. The Arabs didn't like it, attacked Israel with the purpose of gaining territory, lost territory instead, and there has been constant hostilities against Israel by the Arab states ever since.
     
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    They were offered a state under a UN partition plan. They chose war instead.
     
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    It doesn't?
     
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    The Arabs did not like the fact that the UN violated its own charter by not calling for free elections in Palestine in 1948, instead of awarding a minority of the population a majority of the land of Mandate Palestine.

    The Arabs were also fully aware of the racist impulse behind Zionism and its reliance on terrorism to transform their home into a Jewish majority state; although, true to form, racist Zionists of that time lied to the world about their true intentions:

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default.../CallLegacyColonialism/CSO/Al-Haq-Annex-3.pdf (pp. 15-16)

    "Similarly, until 1948, the leaders of Zionism were constantly assuring the world that they harboured no intention of dispossessing or evicting the Arabs of Palestine from their homeland – although evidence abounds that, in fact, they were aiming at nothing less than the thorough Zionisation and de-Arabisation of Palestine from the very beginning; and, when the opportunity arose in 1948, Zionists wasted no time in pushing the Arabs across the frontiers. […]"
     
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    There was no time for elections. The Arabs immediately started a civil war and then five Arab countries attacked Israel. Many Arab inhabitants of Israel left Israel being assured that the armies of the five Arab nations would quickly prevail and they could return very quickly. Israel defeated those five armies and expanded their territory. The Arabs chose war over peace and lost territory. That has been the pattern for the last 8 decades.
     
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    Baloney.

    The "palestinians" could have peace any time they wanted it. They could have had their own separate state at least 5 times.

    Instead, they choose to teach their children to rape, murder, and blow themselves up. They launch missiles at Israeli schools daily. They spend all their international aid on bullets, rockets and terror infrastructure.

    What they are receiving is what they have earned.

    As for the Israelis hating them, I don't understand how they are capable of showing the restraint that they have.

    If the Israeli army wanted to kill HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of them, they could.

    Why are all the other Islamic countries, especially Egypt not wanting the "palestinians" in their country? They don't want their murderous culture infecting them either.
     
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    1. Maybe they should stop starting wars
    2. If they choose to start wars, they should stop building their military infrastructure under civilian houses, hospitals, and schools
    3. The "from the river to the sea" isn't a quote of the Jews
    4. Palestinians are the ones teaching their children to kill themselves and become martyrs
     
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    They did not invade and start killing anyone. They were attacked and won.

    Great. Now Slovenia, SA, Iran and North Korea can all have a nice Christmas party.
     
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    It doesn't give Israel the right to create a Jewish supremacist state ruling a roughly equal number of Arabs by an illegal military occupation or commit genocide in Gaza, does it?
     
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    The majority of Gazans are still alive.

    Thus no genocide occurred
     
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    The first phase of the 1947-1948 Palestine war began after the UN adopted a resolution on 29 November 1947 recommending the adoption of the Partition Plan for Palestine. Free elections would have obviously been required before UNGA Resolution 181 was approved.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947–1948_civil_war_in_Mandatory_Palestine

    The perennial pattern of Zionism across the last 10 decades was and still is statehood of all of Palestine (Eretz Israel) completely emptied of its indigenous Arab population.

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default.../CallLegacyColonialism/CSO/Al-Haq-Annex-3.pdf (P. 16/21)
     
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    You're blaming the victims of a vicious, racist settler-colonial movement for fighting back against their Zionist invaders:
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    "Population shift from 1947–1951 in Israel–Palestine, plotted with the % of land controlled by what Neve Gordon calls the 'Jewish establishment'"
    "Zionism and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict have been described as a form of settler colonialism.[1]

    "Patrick Wolfe, an influential theorist of settler colonial studies, considered Israel an example and discussed it in his 2006 essay 'Settler colonialism and the elimination of the native'.[2][3][4]..."

    "Many of the fathers of Zionism themselves described it as colonialism, such as Vladimir Jabotinsky who said 'Zionism is a colonization adventure'.[6]"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism

    European Jews including many illegal immigrants started this war a century ago. Today, Hamas has a legal right to resist a military occupation while the Jews of Israel have no such right to impose one.
     
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    The State of Israel has been inciting or carrying out genocide against the Palestinians since it lurched into existence in 1948.

    "According to the Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as well as in time of peace.

    "The definition contained in Article II of the Convention describes genocide as a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

    https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/Genocide Convention-FactSheet-ENG.pdf

    "The State of Israel has been accused of inciting or carrying out genocide against the Palestinians during the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

    "This accusation has been linked to the conceptualization of Israel as a settler colonial state.[1][2]

    "Those who believe Israel's actions constitute genocide typically point to the phenomena of anti-Palestinianism, Islamophobia, anti-Arab racism in Israeli society, and they cite the Nakba, the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the blockade of the Gaza Strip, the 2014 Gaza War and the 2023 Israel–Hamas war as instances of genocide."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_genocide_accusation
     
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    It is. But in this case it was certainly provoked.
     
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    Arabs knew long before the UN became involved how much of "Palestine" European Zionists intended to colonize:

    https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default.../CallLegacyColonialism/CSO/Al-Haq-Annex-3.pdf

    "The minimum definition of the territorial scope of Palestine, as Zionism envisions it, was officially formulated in 1919; and it covers about double the area currently occupied by the Zionist settler-state.

    "It includes – in present geographical terminology – the Kingdom of Jordan (on both sides of the River), the ‘Gaza strip’, Southern Lebanon, and Southern and south-western Syria, as well as the portions of Palestine now occupied by the Zionists."
     
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    Document the role Iran played in those deaths.
    The US soldiers currently stationed in the Middle East are pawns designed to give American war-mongers an excuse to enhance the profits they earn from genocide in Palestine.
     
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    Ten years before the UN Partition Plan Zionists were making it clear how ethnic cleansing figured into their plans for Palestine:

    https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet
    • "By August 1937, 'transfer' was a major subject of discussion at the Twentieth Zionist Congress in Zurich, Switzerland. Alluding to the systematic dispossession of Palestinian peasants (fellahin) that Zionist organizations had been engaged in for years, David Ben-Gurion, who would become Israel's first prime minister in 1948, stated:'You are no doubt aware of the [Jewish National Fund's] activity in this respect. Now a transfer of a completely different scope will have to be carried out. In many parts of the country new settlement will not be possible without transferring the Arab fellahin.'

    • "He concluded: 'Jewish power [in Palestine], which grows steadily, will also increase our possibilities to carry out this transfer on a large scale.'"
     
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    So what. The territory in question was controlled by Great Britain. And the territory was partitioned by the United Nations in 1947 after WWII, And immediately after Arabs began to attack Israel.
     
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    The religious batshit dangerous loon Mike Johnson at work.
    It's already DOA in the Senate.


    'House Republicans propose $17.6 billion aid package for Israel; Biden rejects ‘ploy’

    'Bill would provide billions for air defense, replenish US arms, as GOP seeks to back Jerusalem while refusing Senate compromise that also aids Ukraine, toughens border restrictions

    By AP, REUTERS and TOI STAFFToday, 4:46 am

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/house...on-aid-package-for-israel-biden-rejects-ploy/
     
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    So why were Zionist Jews in Palestine discussing the transfer of indigenous Arabs in a territory controlled by Great Britain?

    Apparently, you see no problem with ethnic cleansing as long as it "solves" the Jewish problem:

    https://imeu.org/article/plan-dalet
    • "In June 1938, Ben-Gurion told a meeting of the Jewish Agency: 'I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it.'
    • In December 1940, Joseph Weitz, director of the Jewish National Fund's Lands Department, which was tasked with acquiring land for the Zionist enterprise in Palestine, wrote in his diary:There is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, and to transfer all of them, save perhaps for [the Arabs of] Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem. Not one village must be left, not one [bedouin] tribe. And only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers and the Jewish problem will cease to exist. There is no other solution."
     
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    Why were Zionist Jews discussing the weather?
     
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    Why are Zionist Jews discussing genocide in Gaza?

    https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/...title&isFreemail=true&r=cqtc&utm_medium=email

    "Israel has dropped almost 30,000 bombs and shells on Gaza — eight times more bombs than the U.S. dropped on Iraq during six years of war.

    "It has used hundreds of 2,000-pound bombs to obliterate densely populated areas, including refugee camps.

    "These 'bunker buster' bombs have a kill radius of a thousand feet.

    "The Israeli aerial assault is unlike anything seen since Vietnam.

    "Gaza, only 20 miles long and five miles wide, is rapidly becoming, by design, uninhabitable."
     
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    Israel is winning. The large bombs have smart bombs modifications. Two thirds (20,000) of Hamas have been neutralized with minimal harm to Gazan civilians with the exception of Gazan human shields.

    Gaza will be rebuilt after Hamas has been eradicated.
     

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