If Hamas surrenders and releases all hostages....

I didn't mean that nobody cared, but mass media and the vast majority of the world never made much ado about it. Yet, many sheep are truly angry over Palestine. Mass media is making mad money over this.

What makes you think that 20k people dying to protect Hamas terrorists or even 1500 Israeli innocents is a bigger deal than 500k innocent Rwandans. The hypocrisy just pisses me off.

 

I guess this leaves us to speculate on what Israel considers to be defense. Gaza is cleared of all Palestinians? Based on their actions so far, that’s what it looks like.

 

You’ve yet to substantiate this claim.

 

What claim? That you support terrorists slinging missiles daily for 20 years and then mass murdering 1500 civilians or a country defending themselves by eradicating Terrorists using supporters as meat shields?

You don't even give a crap about 500k Rwandans because it doesn't fit your agenda. I am STILL enraged over that. Many were hacked to death with machettes in front of their families, not by bombs.

 

Israeli apologists have been saying this could all end if Hamas surrenders.If Hamas surrendering is a nonsense concept, then this claim is empty.

 

The bolded portion of your post is the claim you’ve yet to substantiate.

You’ve also made another one now that I support Hamas. Feel free to substantiate that one as well.
I suspect you won’t.

 

While Wikipedia isnt the most reliable source, I have no reason to doubt its accuracy. With that being said, I wasnt asking for the source of how many were dropped in Iraq, I was asking for the source of how many have been dropped in Palestine.

 

I think you overestimate both the warning time given and the ability for them to move.

How would they go about doing so? Who speaks for them? If they all shouted this, could we hear it over the bombs?
I think after Hamas is gone, IF the Palestinians are allowed to remain in Gaza (big if), then yes, there will be an opportunity for the creation of a lasting peace, with Palestinians renouncing support for Hamas and other groups like it, endorsing peaceful coexistence, and most importantly, Nettanyahu's exit and a peacemaking Israeli PM coming into power so Israel can do the same.

Not yet. Hamas needs to be gotten rid of and so does Nettanyahu's regime, before any such progress will be possible.

 

I havent followed it all that closely.

Are you saying that they have completely cleared all of the tunnels and found all of the hidden armaments?

 

Seems to be a media and your perception thing. I've never met anyone who didn't condemn what happened in Rwanda.

Media bias in regard to Israel/Palestine has been interesting to track since last October. It has initially been extremely pro-Israel, but recently I've been seeing more and more of the opposite, even in the same news orginzations, as Israel has been getting more aggressive.

Nobody reading your question here has the view you attribute to them in the question...

 

That is the offer that has been on the table since day one. Hamas is now and always has been a species of death cult, they will either rule the world or die trying so expecting Hamas to surrender is about like expecting that we can grow enough food to feed everyone without using any fertilizer.

 

Western media have become extremely squeamish in recent years. Which is largely why we have so much trouble actually winning wars these days.

 

I dont know anything about whomever you are calling an apologist. I for one am skeptical that you could even recognize what a surrender would look like, and I cannot imagine that Israel would have any reason to stop until they have cleared the entire area including the tunnels of armaments and any known Hamas members.

This is their chance to do so. They may as well make good use of it. You make hay when the sun is shining.

 

What I've been saying for years. Too many here in the west idolize the losers in a conflict.

 

Their population keeps increasing and they don't seem interested in coming to a 2-state solution with Israel so I honestly think even if they get hostages back and even if they promise to stop bombing, they won't honor it (and they shouldn't). I don't think there is a peaceful option especially when a certain religion encourages the death of anyone not affiliated with that particular religion, especially Jews. (I think they hate Jews because ISLAM is basically a rip-off of Judaism which was established WAY before ISLAM was. You want there to be peace there then change the Quran!

 

Oh, sorry for my misunderstanding.
According to the Wall Street Journal:
By mid-December, Israel had dropped 29,000 bombs, munitions and shells on the strip. Nearly 70% of Gaza’s 439,000 homes and about half of its buildings have been damaged or destroyed.
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/gaza-destruction-bombing-israel-aa528542#

I understand WSJ articles are paywalled so i get it if that’s not a terribly satisfying source. I’ll see if I can locate where they got their data.

 

No, I’m saying they have driven the population from the north of Gaza into the south and are now bombing the south.

 

Isn't this reasonable if the Israeli objective is to force them to flee into Egypt?

 

Interesting.

I am not so sure that this tells us anything about the destructive power of the bombs dropped, but it is interesting. I am surprised, but then when considering that Iraq was a couple weeks long and we were dropping enormous ordnance such as MOAB, apparently the sheer number is similar. Thanks for the link.

 

A ceasefire is on the table? Tell me about it.

JERUSALEM, Feb 7 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday rejected a proposal for a Gaza war truce by Hamas, saying victory was within reach and only total defeat of the movement that rules the blockaded strip would ensure Israel's security.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...ll be no ceasefire,friends and to our enemies.

 

Only a handful of MOABs were used in Iraq

 

Would you say the solution is complete eradication then? Maybe the final solution?

 

I don’t know enough about explosive ordinance to expand too greatly, but here’s an article on the topic:
Israel dropped 65,000 tonnes of bombs on Gaza in 89 days
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/2...65000-tonnes-of-bombs-on-gaza-in-89-days/amp/

 

I'm not playing your word game or falling for your pathetic attempt to tie my views to that of Hitler.
Try harder! I expect more!

 

It’s completely reasonable if that is their objective. It’s also ethnic cleansing.

How do you feel about ethnic cleansing?