Matthew 28:1-10 versus John 20:1 and 2

OK, perhaps someone new looking in may have some idea.

 

Because religion is not based on facts - everything can be reconciled. New Testament chapters were written by men, so we can assume that Matthew wrote truth and John made mistake, or just vice versa. The most important thing - lets hope the different opinions on New Testament will not start the religious war.

 

They are different testimonies according to their knowledge as best as they recollected. The differences are rather unimportant. To me it goes to the authenticity of the people and event as opposed to a parroted rehearsal for the cause of deceit.

 

What's a "gnostic socialist"? Is this going to be another thread about a RWer not knowing what the word "socialism" means and just slapping it as a sticker on anything he doesn't like?

 

First thing is to look up the literary structure, in many cases chiasms, of the respective passages. It is a literary work, after all. pdf file download for those on phones:

https://www.howthebiblefitstogether.org/files/John-20.1-18a-Chiasm.pdf

Mathew is a complex work, and not so easy to parse. It has many chiasms within chiasms and related to still others in more than one book.

http://www.bible.literarystructure.info/bible/40_Matthew_e.html

http://www.bible.literarystructure.info/bible/43_John_e.html

Not really sure where the OP thinks the 'contradictions' are. Maybe there is some confusion re the two Marys. Both books are aimed to different audiences, Mathews being primarily for Jewish audiences, while John is more universalist.

 

There are no mistakes; these books are very carefully constructed and written at many different levels of complexity and references, and not by loons and cranks but very well educated men. Most alleged 'contradictions' aren't, they're just obscure to the illiterates unfamiliar with the texts and easily confused. A little familiarity with Jewish numerology and the Torah is helpful as well.

 

Gnosticism is total rubbish. The orthodox writings are the earliest and most reliable and already widely known by the 2nd century. There is no comparison between the complex literature of the orthodox writings and the meandering gibberish of the Gnostic comics.

 

There have been many intelligent insights from posters relative to the "contradiction" of the scriptures. I'm surprised that rstrats hasn't thanked them or responded in the affirmative.

 

Wow! You sound like a person who don't know history, so let me comment of your post using FACTS.
There are DEADLY mistakes in the New Testament. In Europe million of people died because of 'discussion' which version of the New Testament 'have no mistakes'. Did you hear about the Thirty Years' War or the French Wars of Religion, and there were more.
A little familiarity with Jewish numerology and the Torah is helpful? Are you talking about gematria? Do you know that Torah was written in Hebrew (gematria applies to Hebrew letters only) and the New Testament was written in Greek where there is no use to the gematria?
Yes, there are contradictions in the Bible and the New Testament which were successfully solved by the Inquisition and religious wars, but now by civilized discussion.

 

lol rubbish. People who claim there are 'mistakes'. contradictions, 'Constantine rewrote the bible', ad nauseam are pseudo-intellectuals who think if they discredit the orthodoxy then we have to accept their own hack jobs and ridiculous rewrites as 'legitimate' and 'the real Christianity', like Gnostic frauds.. Most Jewish intellectuals were quite familiar with Greek by the 3rd Century B.C., so that weird claim is just silly; the Greek translations use the same literary devices and are just as 'Jewish' as the Hebrew writings.

Obviously you know very little history.

As for the society and culture of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus's ministry, Joachim Jeremia's excellent sociological study will go a long way to helping those with genuine interest in the history clear up more than few mysteries and references in the NT.

https://archive.org/details/jerusalemintimeo0000jere/page/n5/mode/2up

The infamos 'Thirty Years War' was merely yet another period of 'The Habsburgs Versus Everybody Else'. Nothing to see there, just Europeans Behaving Badly, and 'the Inquisition' is highly misrepresented, not to mention there were three of them and almost nobody who keeps bringing them up even knows which one they're sniveling about.

 

I think you are right - the Greek translations in gematria gives the same result just as the Hebrew writings. For example home, in Hebrew 'בית' gives the same results in gematria as Greek Σχολείο. I don't speak Greek, but you for sure know Greek and Hebrew and you can verify that the results are exactly the same.

Yes, I know very little history, but as far as I remember the Thirty Years War started when one Catholic ruler was so convinced that Protestant believe in erroneous Bible, that he decided to force them to believe in the truthful one.
Good luck with your believes in the Bible without contradictions and errors!

 

It's not a 'belief', it's a fact, one you haven't read nearly enough about but would rather parrot peer group nonsense from assorted pagans who don't know squat either.

 

By reconciled, I mean to make compatible.

That of course is assuming that the Matthew account and the John account are writing about the same event. If they're not, as kazenatsu suggests, then the OP question is moot.

The OP, though, is really for those who think they are writing about the same event - i.e., Mary's first time visiting the tomb.

 

Good luck with your belief that the Bible It's not a 'belief', it's a fact.
But since you know the Bible so well, here are few things I don't understand:

Exodus 20:8 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you.
Question:
So how come Christians are do not celebrate the sabbath? Was Constantine the Great more powerful than God?

Exodus 20:14 You shall not commit adultery.
Question:
God knows how create human from the dust, so why God decided to have a child with a married woman? For sure Marry committed adultery. Isn't is the same as a father tells to his kids don't steal, but he himself is a thief?


Matthew 15:21
The Syrophoenician Woman
21 Jesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is cruelly demon-possessed.” 23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting at us.” 24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” 26 And He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” 27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.” 28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, your faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed at once.
Question:
Jesus said very clearly: I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.
How do you explain this?

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Question:
Did Christians abolish the Law by not keeping kosher, not circumcising their children or observing other laws specified in the Bible?

BTW: I am not a pagan, I am proud Pastafarian.

 

You wouldn't understand the answers, since you've never read anything and never will. You want somebody to write a book for you you can pay for it.

 

I love your answer - one genius uses this technics all the time:

 

Someone new looking in my have some idea on how the 2 accounts can be considered compatible.

 

Yes, you're a clown all right. Nobo

He uses it because it's true. lol not that you would know.

Ah, a TDS sufferer. That explains a lot.

 

The Gospels are based on witness accounts of the life of Jesus. The message holds true through all of them...that Jesus died and rose again. The perspectives are different and the writers organize the writing in different ways. I see no contradiction between the passages you highlighted....there is none if you read more then the cherry picked verses.

A person actually should be more skeptical if all four gospels, written by different writers using different witnesses along with the writers own their unique experiences ...ended up stating exactly the same minute details, with the same writing structure.

 

[QUOTE="CKW, post: 1074665723, member: 44089" I see no contradiction between the passages you highlighted....there is none if you read more then the cherry picked verses.

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What other verses show that they are compatible?

 

We do know for a fact they are indeed contemporary with the times they're written; there are no anachronisms and all of the cultural and social references are accurate and contemporary, very rare in writings that old. They most certainly weren't 'rewritten by Constantine' a few hundred years later, a popular lie that still keeps popping up here almost weekly. Despite repeatedly asking for cites of the parts 'Constantine had rewrote n stuff' all we get is silence and change in topics from those who claim that.