Alabama court ruled frozen embryos are children.

Good grief. People are still arguing that individual humans are not human beings once they come into being? It's not even worth arguing about, since anyone making that claim is either trolling or scientifically illiterate.

 

Please do not put apostrophe's to pluralize a word. A human being dies every time that happens.

 

Do your parents have any surviving children?

 

By the same logic, a human infant does not have the requisite characteristics to be classified as Homo Sapiens.

In fact, if you want to get down and dirty in the semantic arguments, an infant is not even a child when it comes to stages of development classification.

 

You don't know the science? You don't believe we should follow the science. You are the one making these conflations between sperm/ovum and zygote/fetus yet you don't know the actual biological differences.

All these elements of procreation you mention are frequently or usually expelled for reasons that may or may not be known.

Pregnancy is NOT a sickness, it is NOT a disease. Do you believe our entire abortion policy should be based on the extremely rare cases of abortion due to imminent health threats that even those rare instances do not require an abortion?

 

You could take their reasoning and make a case to allow a mother who has changed her mind to have her 3 month old baby killed. Maybe it is just interfering with her career or something.

 

That was not the ruling that was a concurring opinion written by the Chief Justice. The ruling was based on the Constitution and previous legislation and that no distinction was made between embryo's in the womb or outside the womb under the child protection laws which has now been closed and signed by the governor.

 

And here's another one claiming that eggs are chickens, and acorns are oak trees.

When one side gets this deluded, it's impossible to reason with them.

Sperm and egg are also homo sapiens.

Pro-lifers have tend to have major trouble with biology and logic.

 

No we don't. Nobody thinks that. Some people pretend they do, due to their religion telling them to say that crazy thing, but nobody actually thinks specks are people.

It's not difficult. Speck. Person. Speck. Person. Different things. My cat has a brain the size of a walnut, and she is aware that specks aren't people. Pro-lifers presumably have larger brains, so they know as well

 

You are mistaken! What is crazy about actually knowing human physiology and human development?

Medical care?

 

You could not be more wrong. A human organism is a human being from its creation forward. Any other point in development you may want to use to arbitrarily grant the status of human being is Arbitrary and unsupported by logic or science!

 

On the contrary it is a major misconception to assume an embryo or fetus will not result in a live birth.

Care to show some data that, absent intervention to kill them, more embryos and fetuses die than live?

Well?????

 

I don't agree with that. A zygote has a long way to go to become a person. I agree that the zygote is of human origin.

Pregnancy and childbirth have been risky throughout human history.

Rarity (even if true) is not an excuse for laws that are lethal or have long term damage to women.

Women have a right to bodily autonomy. And, that is especially true when the stakes are high.

 

Your first sentence makes no sense. Nobody is assuming an embryo will fail.

But, they do have a failure rate.

Also, there is a death rate for pregnancy.

It just doesn't have to do with how many die or are permanently debilitated.

The rights of bodily autonomy covers who has the decision authority.

Having a condition happen less than 50% (or ??%) of the time is not a justification for denying women decision authority over their own bodies.

 

The human zygote is a HUMAN BEING from conception now you throw in this sebitrary "person" thingy which has nothing to do with science. But then a person is merely an individual HUMAN BEING. If the new organism is of human origin then it is a human being.

So is crossing the street. Pregnancy is a normal human condition for the female of the species and that nature designs as benificial and desirable else we would be extinct.

It's not a justification to kill millions if unborn babies or to be THE premise for iur entire abortion policy.

We all have a right to our life which is explictly explained in our founding document.

 

Yeah, so sperm and eggs are human organisms. Got it.

 

Your "BECAUSE I SAY SO!" argument is actually not very convincing to those not of your religion.

 

Pew Research data show that white evangelical Christians are far more likely to oppose abortion in any situation.

The majority of our country supports abortion being legal in all or most circumstances.

 

More wrong about what ? and can't believe that having been debating this for over a decade on here .. you do not understand that the human organisms you flush down the toilet every day are not humans .. nor are they human-beings as in the noun form of the compound word.

and further .. that you still do not understand the difference between a noun and descriptive adjective form of the word Human.

Just because a single human cell is a human organism .. heart, brain, liver, skin .. does not make that organism a human. This brings us back to the game .. which one is not like the other .. where you try to identify which thing is not like the other .. which is what is done in human taxonomy .. how humans- Homo Sapiens are classified .. according to various characteristics

So how the game goes .. you show a person 3 pictures - Furry dirty dark skinned Human - proto Hominid - Single Cell -- and ask the person to choose which one is not like the others .. a simple thing really --- no need to complicate with fancy scientific terms .. what do you think the person will choose 99 times out of 100 .. as there is always one in the room . Which one do you think gets kicked to the curb most often .. ?

 

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

This ruling had NOTHING to do with abortion you DO realize that?

 

They are waste products of human beings and discarded cells, parts of a human. Your study of biology is sorely lacking.

 

The medical textbooks are not convincing? Your misinformed opinion is more knowledgeable than the science?

What religion? You think an attempt to marginalize my position based on some religion refutes the science?

 

They are gametes, he reproductive cell of an organism . A product of a human organism. It takes one of each to produce an organism. Do you know the difference between haploid and diploid cells? Biology 101.

 

It doesn't beg the question. Begging the question is when you have circular reasoning.

But I couldn't tell you exactly how far it goes. Life starts at conception. It's not complicated.

If the people of Alabama don't like this for people that change it.

 

The ruling in favor of IVF doesn't.

But, the ruling that an embryo is a person certainly does. And, that was the reason for the IVF ruling. It demonstrates that the "embryo is a person" ruling was made with NO understanding.

Plus, the IFV ruling doesn't resolve the other numerous problems that "embryo is a person" manufactures.