What are 'fake electors?'

Ok, I get that, but where is there room for 'fake electors' in this process?

 

Ok, so where do the 'fake electors' get into the system. How does it happen?

 

Ah, so 'electors' can somehow ignore the fact that Jones won (in my example) and allot their 'votes' (corruptly) to the loser Smith?

 

Thank you, I am getting it. I don't yet get how it can be done so apparently easily.

 

In what process? Sorry, now it's me that's not following you.

 

It wasn't easy, it didn't work, and those who agreed to become fake electors are all under indictment.

 

Fake electors are electors that were not actually appointed using legal means. Why do you guys pretend you can't understand this?

 

So, do you know how they attempted to get away with it?

Why even have electors? Each State gets allocated a number, lets give Michigan 10. Because Jones won Michigan, he automatically gets 10 points (no need for 'electors,' fake or real) towards whatever total number of points he needs to get nation wide to win the Presidency. Should be quite simple.

 

So, every state has rules for how their EC votes are decided. Trump supporters believe that those rules can be flushed down the toilet. The most important part here is that all EC votes are supposed to be approved by the state executive, under the seal of the state. This is literally the biggest part of the ECA and this is literally something that ALL current Trump supporters want to see burned to the ground so that their idol can circumvent the necessity of elections at all.

 

That really depends on the state. Most states require their electors to vote the same way as their electorate voted in the state. But not all states do so.

 

Thanks. So, eg, in Georgia, there had to be an attempt to involve the Governor in the 'fake' scheme?

 

they ignore it, but unless Trump could have convinced a state official (who has the responsibility) to switch slates from Biden's to his, it's just pretense. But, of course, there is no way in hell any of the state officials would have gone along with it. however, Repubs are now installing election deniers in those election responsibility positions and they just might go along with it, next time, this is the big worry for democrats.

 

I am getting it. It just cannot fathom why the USA needs 'electors' or even how, without massive corruption, 'electors' can be faked.

Back to my example....Michigan.

Jones won, he gets the 10 points on offer from Michigan towards the national tally to become POTUS.

Simple?

Yes?

 

The complete opposite is true. The fake electors submitted to vote for Trump were not approved by the governor/executive, as the ECA requires, which is why the Trump electors were fake in those circumstances. Fake electors happen when someone OTHER than the governor (in this case Trump supporters) creates a list of electors that is different from the ones required by state and federal law and different from the one approved by the governor.

 

How can electors be "faked" aside from what the anti-democracy wing of the GOP (which is now in control of the entire party) has already tried?

 

The Electoral College was a great compromise between the balance of power between large and small states. It was negotiated at the ratification convention in 1787 and is now in the constitution. So, without an amendment, we have to live with it. What the framers were unable to foresee, was the emergence of two political spectrums, how they would congregate in rural versus urban and the eventual tendency for the electoral college, with greater frequency, allow the minority vote to win the presidency. I assure you, having a minority vote was never the intent of the framers,

 

It's in the link you didn't want to read.

Ah, so the process you mentioned is the laborious, cumbersome Electoral College process.

Each state designates electors for the EC. They meet in December, on the 14th, I think. That's when the presidential vote is officially tallied. Each state's electors pronounce their winner and the applicable number of electoral votes for that candidate. The People under indictment attempted to replace the electors that would vote for Biden with a group that would cast those electoral votes for Trump instead. That's called blatant cheating.

To use a simpler method like the one you describe, there would have to be a Constitutional amendment of Article II, Section 1.

 

Seems like the bleedingly obvious thing to do. Jones won Michigan 10/8 so gets the Michigan 10 points towards the number needed to be POTUS.

 

Here is the phone call Trump made to get Georgia's Secretary of State to give Trump the votes to win the state:


Trump is a blatant criminal who assaulted our democracy over and over again in order to ignore the vote of the people.

It's just one of the evidences leading to the indictments of Trump and others - to be tried in Georgia.

 

As you are probably aware, there is a movement among states to join in allocating their combined votes - effectively moving toward a popular vote for president.

When they cover enough states to win the electoral college, the Electoral College would still exist as per the Constitution, but would be reduced to minor importance.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/poli...ooperating-multiple-investigations/index.html

 

What are 'fake electors?'


Fraudulent A holes

 

Wow! That's the first time I've heard the whole call.