Should illegals have guns?

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Should illegals have the right to bear arms too?

  1. I want more gun control and illegals should not have guns

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  2. I want more gun control but illegals should have guns too.

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  3. I oppose more gun control but illegals should not have guns.

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  4. I oppose more gun control and illegals should be able to have guns too.

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  1. Junkieturtle

    Junkieturtle Well-Known Member Donor

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    Choice E:

    I am fine with the current level of gun control but do not believe illegals should own guns.
     
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    Only after they have come here and was given them because of there employement . Such as them being made police officers in the town. They shouldn't have them when coming here in case they want to take over someone's house while they are gone. As why you never leave home without a gun. You never know when you come back some idiot thinks they can move in while you are gone. A gun can say to them they are an idiot.
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1770475575347470728
     
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  3. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We just have to stop with the notion that we have an obligation to save all the worlds poor, and do the hard thing of saying 'you can't come in right now, we're full, check back later.'
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't think them coming here with guns is really the issue. The issue is whether they can legally buy guns once they get here. Which is kinda moot IMO, because regardless of what they say, they can buy guns illegally anyway. They already broke the law to get here, chances are they know someone who knows someone who would be happy to sell them a saturday night special with the serial number filed off. At least if they can buy a gun legally, they can get a good one that still has a serial number and possibly a paper trail. No good ever comes from forcing people into the black market.
     
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  5. Day of the Candor

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    I guess that's why liberals think that illegal aliens have the right to vote in this country. Some of them already are, we just don't know how many. And if its legal for them to vote then its all over for the rest of us. You can kiss your country goodbye.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not necessarily. The US Constitution doesn't say whether illegals can vote, it just says that anyone eligible to vote for the largest house of a state’s legislature is also eligible to vote for members of the House of Representatives from that state. From there its up to each state who can vote. Indiana's State Constitution, for example, says "A citizen of the United States who is at least eighteen (18 ) years of age and who has been a resident of a precinct thirty (30) days immediately preceding an election may vote". WA's State Constitution lists several qualifications for voters, and one of them is "They shall be citizens of the United States."

    I suspect there are some states that say 'anyone' as it is worded in the US Constitution, instead of 'citizen'. But I'm not googling all 50 of them to find out...

    But I do know that WA also votes by mail. I fill out my ballot, put it in a box down the street, and no one will ever know whether it was I who filled out my ballot (or ballots if I were to engage in fraud), or whether an illegal immigrant filled it out and put it in the box. I mean they could try to verify my signature, but I don't what they would verify it against, and I know they arent doing that for all or even most ballots. That would be incredibly resource intensive.
     
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  7. modernpaladin

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    265 views. 0 votes from anyone that supports more gun control.

    LOL

    I guess the question was too difficult...

    ...or no one supports more gun control?
     
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    Illegals should not enjoy any of the rights of American citizens. The only right they should have is the right to a Swift and speedy deportation.
     
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    Name a single nation on the entire planet where an American citizen can illegally immigrate and possess a firearm.....
     
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    In one sense, I agree with that.

    The whole family should be deported.

    But if they're not going to be deported (which seems to be the current situation), then the children should be given an education.

    What I don't think most people realize is how expensive this education is. In state of California, for example, an average of $16,000 is spent for every child in K-12 education per year.

    You get an undocumented family with 3 children (not uncommon), and that's going to cost taxpayers $48,000 a year. And consider this family is probably going to be paying less than $9000 in taxes.
     
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    All of them ...IF said American has diplomatic or financial clout.

    Name a single nation on the entire planet where access to firearms is a right as opposed to a privilege provided to friends of the govt. Aside from the US of course.
     
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    You don't think an illegal immigrant should have the right to defend themselves and their family from, say, a rapist or murderer?

    What do you think we as Americans will gain from having illegal immigrants who are also disarmed victims? Its not like they're going to go back home because we wont let them have guns ...they're not allowed to have guns in their country of origin either.
     
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    I think we not only have the right but the duty to defend our country from people coming here illegally.

    My own government says that I don't have the right to have a gun as an American citizen who has never been violent and hasn't been in trouble in nearly 20 years.

    Are they more worthy of protection of their family than I am?
     
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    Of course not. But neither are they less worthy of protection of their family. EVERYONE is (should be) worthy of that.

    They can still be deported, regardless of whether or not they're allowed to have guns...
     
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    I just think we've arrived at a sad State as a nation that this is even an issue.

    Send them back where they belong and this will not even be a question.

    Of course they deserve protection, while they are in federal custody on their way to the deportation point
     
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    There's more of them than there are even cops to deport them. Agreed that its a sorry state to be in. But expecting to deport them all is not any more reasonable than the hoplophobes expecting to confiscate all the guns. As long as they're here, they might as well contribute to the common defense. Its not like we can stop them from getting guns anyway...
     
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    I simply don't think that as long as any group of American citizens are deprived of the right, no illegals should enjoy that right.
     
  18. edna kawabata

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    How do they pass a NICS if they just snuck in from Venezuela? Oh, I know, private buyer. FREEDUMB!
     
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    In a sense I think illEgals SHOULD HAVE GUNS. tHAT IS......GUNS IN THEIR BACKS AS THEY ARE HEADED SOUTH OF THE BORDER!
     
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    Rome burned while Nero fiddled.

    The first responsibility of government is the security of our borders and our citizens.
    If government fails at that, not much else matters.

    ILLEGAL MIGRANTS shouldn't be here in the first place. They should be standing in line with the rest of those who want to be American citizens.

    Arguing that they have a "right" to defend themselves begs the first question;
    Why does it matter anyway, given that government has failed to secure our borders and welcomed these ILLEGAL MIGRANTS into the country in the first place?
     
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    The "people" in 2A refers to anyone in US jurisdiction, so it includes non-citizens, even tourists.

    Being in US illegally is a civil infraction, and can result in deportation, but owning a gun while in US is allowed by the Constitution, but not by law.
     
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    so do you think the Second amendment prevents either form of government from disarming illegals
     
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    I said "owning a gun while in US is allowed by the Constitution, but not by law".

    The 2A would allow it, but other laws have been written to deny it. You said you support bans of certain types of weapons, it seems you agree with some bans.
     
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    Well, wouldn't it mean they are embracing American culture?
     
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    I have said that the second amendment doesn't prevent bans on some weapons that are not ones that a citizen could keep and bear in normal circumstances
     

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