Biden To The Rescue

You seem to keep doing your level best to turn this into a bickering "if you don't like it...blah blah blah". Save that for someone looking to bicker aimlessly, that type of person is not hard to find on here, but I am not one of them.

I am solely interested in understanding how someone could proudly advocate and perpetuate a lack of personal responsibility. You have not explained that even slightly. I just do not get it.

Do you not have a problem with fundamental unfairness in general, or just as it applies to people paying back educational loans that they willfully and happily signed for and spent the money as they saw fit?

Why in your mind is this different than paying off people's mortgages or any other type of loan?

 

You have not explained why it is bad policy. As one of those "accursed" lefties I would like to know why it is bad policy. If we agree I will join you in condemning it.
Are you saying that those who don't agree with you automatically don't like the USA? It would be much easier for me if you would explain, because I am not a mind reader.

 

And they are not public servant ?

 

Oh we did pay off mortgages and other types of loan. You should look up TARP. Just refresh your memory , a conservative POTUS name G W Bush gave away over 700 billion dollar. But I see your problem is poor school teacher and single mom not practicing personal responsibility. But AIG or Bank of America, they don’t need to practice personal responsibility.

 

I'm already paying the salaries of public servants, why do I need to pay them more via a loan forgiveness? Since the forgiveness is essentially a gift, they have to pay taxes on it, right?

 

I did not ask whether you paid off your mortgage. These strawmen are counterproductive. As far as TARP, I wasn't a fan of that either. I am consistent and do not support something just because "my side" did it. Once again, I am not interested in the nah nah nah boo boo your side did this type of bickering. I am interested in understanding your stated desire.

I guess I need to just repost what I already asked because it was not addressed in any way.

I am solely interested in understanding how someone could proudly advocate and perpetuate a lack of personal responsibility. You have not explained that even slightly. I just do not get it.

Do you not have a problem with fundamental unfairness in general, or just as it applies to people paying back educational loans that they willfully and happily signed for and spent the money as they saw fit?

Why in your mind is this different than paying off people's mortgages or any other type of loan?

 

I missed the partisanship in my post. Of course conservative administrations are fiscally irresponsible. All administrations are fiscally irresponsible. No interest in actually responding to what I wrote? Just another opportunity for partisan bloviation?

 

Yes it is taxable which reduces harm to a degree.

 

Psst. Wrong.

Yes there's a lot of silly people who approve of a Biden. That's not the same thing as voter enthusiasm which Biden is severely lacking. That was the point of my post. It's one thing to get people to say approve or disapprove over the phone in a binary choice, it's something else to convince them to show up at the polls to support them. That is where Biden is desperately lacking.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/01/08/biden-enthusiasm-gap/

 

I think the parents should be responsible for repaying the loans. They most likely will be paying for everything else their children sign up for.

 

My nephew and "niece in law" busted their butts to pay off their student loans. Both of them work for the state and don't make that much money. My nephew used his inheritance from his grandfather to get his front tooth fixed. Otherwise, he didn't have the money.

I guess they were "chumps" for being honest and doing the right thing.

 

They're not. What they're paying is the tax breaks for the rich. The expenses that would have been paid by taxes to billionaires need to come from somewhere. The easiest source is to cut education funding. If you cut education funding, you are basically making it more expensive for these kids to study. So they have to take out student loans and THEY are paying for the billionaires' tax cuts.

We ALL benefit from a higher level of education among our people. So it's only fair that we ALL pay for those tax cuts. Not just the kids who study.

This is only ONE example of why student loan forgiveness is fair and an obligation for the country.

 

We all benefit from people who work with the electric company, water company and so on. What perks is Biden going to offer them? But the really big question is why is college tuition so expensive? Also, should student loans only pay for useful courses and not classes on gender studies, African pottery, etc. Finally, of the people who got the loans, how many graduated and received degrees?

 

They would have to repay it if they cosigned for it and the kid defaulted. Otherwise, a default is born by the bank with all the consequences that entails.

 

So you support a MILLIONAIRE by the name of Karen Valentine, a teacher, who got her $117,000 loans forgiven.

Got that?
A MILLIONAIRE government employee making over $135,000 last year got her student loans written off.

Talk about tax breaks for the rich ....

 

They (the justice system) are holding parents responsible for their children using their guns to commit murder. I don't think making them responsible for anything their children sign up for unreasonable. Yes they should cosign for student loans. Your children are not mine. As a taxpayer why should I bail them out?

 

Well I can ask you the same question. Did you vote for John McCain who voted for TARP?

If you did vote for Mcacain, can you explain why you thought paying 700 billion to banks was a good idea when Bank was greedy and didn’t take personal responsibility?

I want to understand why a man keep saying he think everyone must take “ personal responsibility” can support and vote for a party which paid 700 billion dollars to banks?

If you can’t explain why, then all your “ personal responsibility” lecture is meaningless. You don’t even practice what you preach.

 

The best perk in the world: Access to education!

Kudos! That is EXACTLY the question. It's this expensive because when Republicans give tax breaks to the rich with nothing to offset them (like Bush and Trump did), the expenses don't go away. And education is the low hanging fruit. Or did you think that those tax breaks without anything to offset them somehow "magically" made the expenses disappear?

Student loans DON'T pay for studies in African pottery. That's a Republican MYTH.

To study African pottery all you need is MUD. Which is LITERALLY dirt cheap (pun intended). Most students who study something like that can afford it on their own or through a very small loan.

The more complex the field of studies, the more expensive. When you get to medicine, Engineering, Nuclear Physics, ... the cost shoots up. But if we are to remain the world's number one power... or even a developed nation, THAT is what we need.

 

You're confused. YOU'RE the one who supports tax breaks for the rich.

 

The only “chumps” are Biden and those within his administration for doing that which is which only benefits a small group of people. The taxpayers will pay for something that doesn’t benefit them directly or indirectly.

 

Yes, but will the taxpayers wake up and vote against Biden? It seems doubtful.

 

If the midterm election is any indication chances are he will have millions voting for him despite the polls indicating the economy is the #1 issue on their minds. It’s the epitome of insanity to vote for someone that’s hurting you.

 

You have a lot of trangressions in chat, but expressing a cogent thought is not typically among them, until this one.

 

HaHa, to call this a stretch in logic is an understatement.

I did vote for Jon Mcain. Not happily for a wide range of reasons, but from my set of political desires he was far more desirous than the alternative. I make no apology for that whatsoever. Voting for the lesser of two evils is NOT analogous to wanting people who signed legally binding loans and spent the money to have their loans paid for by taxpayers who did not enter into their contract, nor did they receive any money. I will always vote for the lesser of two evils. To make it even less relevant to Tarp, the alternative was on board every bit as much as Mcain.

This would only be analogous if you were arguing that you voted for Biden despite his student loan forgiveness and I was giving you trouble for that rationale. That is not happening of course. We are not discussing why you vote for Biden. We are discussing why you support student loan forgiveness.

Not analogous even slightly and this says nothing about my personal responsibility belief ethos. Deep down, you already know that.

 

You think American taxpayers are all billionaires? That doesn't make any sense and is a total logic failure. This is one of the most regressive taxes we have where non-college educated taxpayers have to pay for the student loans of people who chose to go to college.