Why do so many Americans seem to hate Netanyahu?

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Israel's objective and methods qualify as genocide.
     
  2. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Once can discuss that.

    But, it is crystal clear that they were not genocidal.
     
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    Israel’s objective is self defense. Dropping smart bombs on underground tunnel and shelter entrances resulting in a few thousand civilian deaths is genocide but dropping two nuclear weapons on cities in Japan resulting in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths is not genocide?

    That’s some weird thought process there.
     
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    Hiroshima and Nagasaki are crystal clearly not genocide but Gaza is genocide???
     
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    Yes, it was an abysmal failure, but we don't know yet who is responsible for it. A thorough investigation will take place once the war is over.

    The "Israel is not perfect, therefore Israel is guilty" approach of the anti-Zionists and assorted bedfellows puts the blame squarely on Israel for everything terrorists do. However, the failure on the Israeli side is not the cause of this attack. Fundamentalist religious ideology calling for jihad and for the total annihilation of Jews is the cause. Israel's enemies are doing everything in their power to twist facts in order to make Israel, and only Israel, look responsible for everything as if "the other side" is just one giant puppet on strings unable to make decisions on its own and only reacts to Israeli actions. That's as bigoted and racist as antisemitism. Anti-Zionists are the most racist people in the world because they're racist toward all sides in this conflict.

    Years ago, I read a blog post written by a member of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. A young Arab who met, and befriended, a young Israeli woman at an international event in Sweden. One day she saw he was sad, and asked him what happened. He told her that Muslims have to kill her people, all the Jews in the world. He added, and I'll never forget his exact words: "This is what they teach us".

    Articles in the Western media never cover this kind of stuff. One has to dig deep into history and rely on professional research to begin to understand what's really happening.

    This post is already too long. I'll answer the rest later.
     
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  6. WillReadmore

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    The argument is not that.

    It is we weren't prepared, thus we can wholesale slaughter Palestinians and starve them to death.

    That is not acceptable. There is NO excuse for genocide. NONE.
     
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    What does that even mean?? What wholesale slaughter?? We weren't prepared for what?? Hiroshima and Nagasaki were thought out years in advance. Hundreds of thousands of civilians died. In Gaza of the ~ 30,000 who have died only a few thousand actual civilians (most of those have been used as human shields by Hamas) have died from the defensive actions of the IDF to protect Israeli civilians from rocket and terrorist attacks by Hamas. Hamas whose charter clearly specifies genocide is the only organization which is attempting genocide. That is not acceptable and the IDF is acting to stop it.
     
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    a WJE admits Israel is committing genocide:
     
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    Because Israel uses human shields.
     
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    So your criteria for proving that genocide is committed by the use of human shields? Hamas proudly states that it uses human shields. Hamas has stated that the elderly and very young are great for use as human shields. Clearly then you do acknowledge that Hamas uses human shields which drives up the Gazan death count resulting in condemnation by those who hate Israel. This is the dead baby strategy which benefits Hamas by those who do not think things through and don't realize that by condemning Israel for Gazan deaths resulting from Hamas using Gazan civilians as human shields they only reinforce the use of more Gazan human shields resulting in more Gazan civilian deaths.
     
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    A teenager misspeaking proves nothing.
     
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    The WJE girl stated at an assembly with other WJE's that Israel is committing genocide. Thus proving my point that some WJE's believe Israel is committing genocide.
     
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    As we have seen, on October 7, the IDF employed the use of human shields, kibbutz' created by the Israeli government to form a strategic frontier, made up of old folk and children to be used as human shields.

    The IDF use of human shields is even more worrying since many of these human shields were unaware that IDF has also been ordered to gun down and liquidate the kibbutz residents if they were taken hostage, under the Hannibal directive.

    Many of the israelis who unwittingly became human shields for the IDF, were peace activists.

    Perhaps this is the true reason why the Israeli government employed them as human shields, enabled them to be taken hostage, in order to execute them.
     
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    Dayton .. good to see you "hiding out in tree-tops .. shouting out rude names" -- full marks if you can name that tune .. or the artist.
    Look friend - not understanding of the term "collective punishment" nor that it is a war crime, is not my hang-up. This would be another one of those log in own eye moments I fear.
     
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    May well have been .. but has absolutely Zero to do with justification for the Extermination program .. war crimes and crimes against humanity in the land of Palestine .. and it would be irrational to conflate the two
     
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    Who cares whether or not it has reached the level of Genocide for the purposes of Punishment. Bibi is already far past the war crimes - crimes against humanity bar .. at such level as he already beyond the Nuremburg Death Sentence status.. tacking Genocide onto the list can't kill him twice.

    As the Irish Delegates say at the UN "The Hague is too good for Bibi" .. listen.. and learn.
     
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    One young girl misspeaking proves nothing.
     
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    Blaming victims is unseemly.
     
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    She didn't misspeak though.
     
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    Indeed.

    Take your own advice in future.
     
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    Arguing with Inbred Islamists and there defenders is a F-ing waste of time cause they just repeat BS all day while calling Judeans propagandists cause Jews are living in a small part of the Arabian Empire. They won't take a single one of their brethren as refugees in Egypt or Jordan.
     
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    I reject the claims by those who claim Israel is engaged in "genocide" given that if that was true, they could have wiped Gaza off the map in a day. I also find that those who make the claim cheapen real acts of genocide
     
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    You just confirmed what I said: anti-Zionists put the blame squarely on Israel, no matter what. Imagination replaces facts, emotional manipulation is used instead of proof.

    Pfftt.
     
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    If Iran wakes up grouchy some morning and nukes Israel, is that genocide or are you denying Israel the right to be a "people in whole or part"?
    Hamas sought to embark on genocide by targeting JEWS, and you say Jews are committing genocide for fighting back.
    The reason most Arabs get up in the morning is to kill Jews, 'Mercan's, and non believers so they can create a caliphate and remove or kill everyone who is not Muslim.
    You cannot overlay 21st century thinking on 1500 year old beefs.
    Crikey.
     
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