Why do they fall in line like lambs?

I'm not going to explain how to Google "Fred Trump" to an adult.

Hey! Congrats! You finally learned what a strawman argument ACTUALLY is and you have decided to make that your only argument so far!

You just made one. And it isn't a strawman. It was a question. Come on. You JUST learned what a strawman is one sentence ago, and now you've gone and forgotten!

It invalidates his business successes and accompanying notority to anyone who thinks that there should be more to business than being a con man. I'm sorry if you can't see that.

His father was not "nondescript," Trump's success is almost entirely due to his inheritance (and even that has mostly been fraud), the TV show was in no way his idea (and he was almost bankrupt when the show based on his "self made billionaire" lie came out, so even the show was based on a con). I agree that, through his cons, he has become famous. No one denies that.

I've addressed your question. I've explained its failures. I've proffered a relevant question. We both know you will continue to run and hide from it. And we both know why. The desperation is as transparent as Trump's corruption.

 

11 failed businesses out of over 500 resulting in becoming a household name since the 80s, a hit TV Show in the 2000's, and then for good measure while in his 70s decides to run for President and WINS.

Nothing you have said makes anything I have said untrue. You put a negative spin on it to be sure and nobody is claiming you cannot attach negativity to him, but his accomplishments are literally unparalleled. What he has done absolutely constitutes being a marketing genius and 11 failed businesses means nothing in that equation. 11 out of 500 is in and of itself, REMARKABLE.

Love him or hate him, his story is one of incredible achievement. There is nothing there to argue.

 

What is your basis for a failed business?

 

Thats because you can find nothing that states that he was a household name in New York. Maybe he was, but you and I are not in a position to know that one way or the other.

 

So did Nicole Ritchie, Nicole "Snookie" Polizzi, the entire Kardashian clan. Becoming famous does not mean "fit to be President"

 

I understand that books are not as popular today as they once were. Nevertheless, I have read them. They are good for learning things. You could also try looking at articles from New York from the time period. But you clearly don't care.

Did you ever figure out your standard for what constitutes a "failed business"? Did you ever come up with why we should count LLC shell companies as "successful businesses" when they only exist for shifting money around?

 

Plus, John Wayne Gacy is a household name! I can't think of a more well-known birthday clown.

 

With a corporation, I would say bankruptcy, but I'm not going to the mat arguing that point. It seems to me for a real estate developer each project probably has an obvious beginning and just as obvious of an end when/if the building is sold.

In truth, one could argue how to define a failed business until the cows come home, but none of this would be relevant to whether or not his list of accomplishments including winning the Presidency of the United States is remarkable.

It seems like you want to discuss everything OTHER than the actual predicate of this discussion which is that his list of accomplishments is unparelleled.

 

Who made that claim?

 

comparing Trump to Jesus, lol, now that there is funny - Trump is the Golden Calf

 

Everyone peddling the pathetic "Orange man victim" narrative. Every single one of them wants Trump held above the law.

 

If being a reality star was Trumps sole accomplishment, the above would be a great point.

It is not however, so the above "point" is truly meaningless.

 

oh so you cannot name any. thanks-I already knew that

 

Well Mr. Literate, you either have a link proving your point or you do not. If you had one, I suspect you could not possibly whip it out quickly enough so that you could claim to have one small albeit insignificant victory in this discussion.

Since you have done no such thing, it is safe to assume that you have nothing. With that being said, this reply will surely send you scrambling to find one and who knows? Hope springs eternal!

 

wrong-people tire of the democrat weaponization of the legal system

 

Yeah he should probably get the conman of the century award. To me it's a story more of the failings of a nation than the greatness of a man.

 

Can you be more specific?

 

Of all the people that have responded, yours is the most honest because it simply gives your opinion rather than trying to deny what Trump has accomplished.

One can legitimately argue that he is a conman, which is essentially a matter of opinion and he definitely engenders a wide range of opinions out there. I am certainly not arguing against that notion.

Love him or hate him, one cannot however legitimately argue that his accomplishments are anything other than astounding which is basically what everyone else responding has tried to intimate in one form or another.

 

Or maybe they actually believe that it looks like the 2020 election was stolen and covered up, and they're willing to suffer to expose it.

 

I was comparing the apostles to trumpers (as in persecuted for following someone that stands up for the people) actually, not Jesus to Trump but please feel free to run with that spin if it pleases you

 

It's amazing how many lawyers, after working for Trump, get into legal trouble themselves, a fact which has given rise to the notorious meme MAGA = Making Attorneys Get Attorneys.

And for you conspiracy theorists, no one is out to get these lawyers just because they worked for Trump, you have to actually break the law or violate ethics codes to get attention from prosecutors or state ethics boards. I believe that because of the fact that the only people who want to work with Trump are rather unwise themselves (most of the top lawyers want nothing to do with Trump; he's a bad client. He doesn't follow orders and undermines you in public, and often doesn't pay his bills) apparently the unwise are far more likely to give in to Trump's illegal demands. Eastman, Powell, Chesebro and Giuliani are prime examples.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...an-disbarred-judge-donald-trump-b2520050.html

In a scathing 128-page opinion, Judge Yvette Roland argued that Mr Eastman’s law licence be revoked after months of testimony and arguments about his legal theories. She found that he violated ethics rules and possibly the law.


Her ruling
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24521265-sbc-23-o-30029-decision-trial

 

Its hard working for the LAW and having to contend with ILLEGAL LAWFARE.
They got guts for taking the super biased Trump cases. Are you complaining about Trump not paying his bills? Please show me all your posts where you condemned NATO countries for not paying theirs! Ready................GO!!!!!

 

But yet, it only happens after they work for Trump. Generally, lawyers don't just turn bad. If they are bad, they are already bad. In short, it is just the opposite of what you say. They go after the lawyer because they work for Trump.

 

Is it possible you know far more than I do about the justice system? Yes, I'm sorry to hear about that. How long were you in for?

Your characterization of the judge comes from a place of cynicism of the kind instilled by Trump, not knowledge. The belief that if a judgement goes against him, or those who have associated with him, it must be due to a flaw in the system, not their criminality.

 

They are free to believe their evidence free beliefs if they choose. As long as they don't run afoul of the law or legal ethics in the process.

Had Trump's monumental ego not prevented him from accepting his 2020 loss, by a wide margin, we wouldn't be having this discussion. And he wouldn't be on trial for his failed coup.