Oh about that mass mail in drop box voting

I didn't call you a coward or a dishonest person. I asked you to not reply with an intellectually dishonest response. Which you didn't. The intellectually dishonest response would have been to shift the burden of proof, which you didn't do. And I appreciate you admitting that your position is faith-based rather than being grounded in proof.

 

*Sigh*. No. I actually read what the sentence says and I'm criticizing your misrepresentation of what it says. You are literally claiming that you don't know what the word "or" means. What the sentence ACTUALLY says is that ID is required either to REGISTER TO VOTE OR CAST A BALLOT. Meaning, unless there is a state where no ID is required to register to vote, that the person who made the image LIED when they put a red x next to the US instead of the green check they gave all the others. Do I still need to actually explain what the word "or" means? Is it clear now?

And, speaking of failing to read, you are doing it again. This time in a meta way. I never said you COULDN'T read. I said you were REFUSING to.

 

Okay here it is. I think that many elections are now fixed. I think that the Democrats have illegal vote harvesting down pat. That is my opinion. I am entitled to it.

You have your opinions to which you are entitled. Most of them are left wing, for reasons that I don't understand. The Federal Government is not your friend.

 

No one said you aren't. You are free to have as many emotionally-based, divorced from all evidence, unhinged conspiracy theories as you want. Just as I'm free to poke fun at them and criticize them for being vapid.

I've got some views on the left and some on the right . . . or at least what used to be the right, back when they had some kind of appeal for philosophical libertarians like myself. Those days are long gone, especially under the banner of Trump. I voted third party in the past two elections. The only thing making me vote Dem this time is the objective fact (psst, mine is actually based on evidence) that Trump is a material threat to democracy.

Donald Trump is not your friend.

 

How you can be a libertarian and support the big government Democrats is beyond me. Maybe you are happy with the open borders as a libertarian. I am not.

He's my friend because he's not out to screw me the way Biden and the Democrats are. I am a senior with a comfortable retirement. Democrats hate us because we have the resources they want to confiscate.

 

Dude, it says register or vote, not register AND vote. We have states where no ID is required when voting. A person can use the name of a registered voter and cast a ballot. Mail in ballots only make that problem worse as per Jerry Nadler.

 

. . . THAT'S WHAT I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ****ING EXPLAIN TO YOU. Do you still not know what "or" means? Still?

I'll use simpler sentences.

If every state in the US requires an ID for registration, then the US is in the category of requiring ID for either registration OR for casting a ballot. Every intro to logic class covers this concept when going over disjunctions.

But do we have states where IDs are neither required for registration nor voting? Where? That's what I asked you for before.

And people who don't get how the rest of the process works are really really scared about that.

Mail-in ballots are mailed to the homes of the people registered. I don't give a **** about Nadler and if you are going to claim you treasured his opinion before today, I'm calling BS.

 

But it seems a growing movement to institute commons sense voter ID in Australia will bills currently working through the parliment

Vote Australia ramps up campaign for Voter ID
POSTED ON 11 FEBRUARY, 2019
Vote Australia today launches a campaign that helps Australians demand that laws be passed to better protect voters’ identities from theft and abuse at this year’s 2019 federal election.

https://www.voteaustralia.org.au/vote_australia_ramps_up_campaign_for_voter_id

 

10,000 ballots just magically show up and overturn a clear win into a tightly contest race and you just shrug your shoulders? THIS is proper election integrity proving how we can all have strict confidence in their outcomes?

 

Then what's the big deal about showing it when you ACTUALLY VOTE? If you can get one to register you can get one to vote can't you?

Why would be OK with showing to register but oppose showing it to actually vote?

 

I'm fine with showing it to vote if it is done reasonably. Make a general ID available to everyone that's free to acquire and easily accessible to obtain. That's fine by me. What gives me pause is when I see things like the GOP polling black voters to find out what types of ID they use for voting, and then immediately using that same list to remove all of those forms of ID from being eligible.

 

There were no exhaustive studies into the ballots and the courts intervened those claims are geared towards the Presidential results which was just one of THOUSANDS of offices and issues that were voted on. And that does not even deal with the unconstitutional interference with the rules by local election officials. I could list instance after instance of election irregularities that occurred and there were several KEY close elections that very well could have had their outcomes determined by fraudulent votes and why we must guard against it. And when 10,000 ballots suddenly appear and change the apparent outcome of the election it shows the lack of security our elections are facing with there unnecessary changes in our voting procedures.

 

Despite that inane ranting of a sore loser, 2020's election, after copious recounts, audits, investigations, and court challenges, was declared to be the most secure in America's history by Trump's own Republican Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the United States Department of Homeland Security.

There are no legal or legislative challenges in any of the 50 states, nor in Congress, ccontesting the legitimacy of the 2020 presidential election. None were found to be valid. All were exhausted.

Krebs doubles down after threat:
‘2020 election was most secure in US history​

 

That was 5 years ago and it has achieved....nothing. It isn't the first such attempt to make this an issue & it won't be the last. None have ever got anywhere because there is no issue that requires this to solve it. This has correctly been described as 'a solution in search of a problem'.

It is kept alive by conservative politicans and their allies in the Murdoch media who think it will offer their side some political advantage - much like those who promote it in America. They tend to be the same people who try to end 'compulsary voting' (it isn't, but the phrase has stuck), again because they think it will help them - much like those in America who try to make voting & voter registration more difficult.

There is no significant public pressure for this beause there is no problem to solve, just one side trying to gain an advantage. Australia remains one of the most successful democracies in the world, and all without us having to show ID when we vote. Confidence in election results remains high and people don't storm Parliament to try to change the result when they don't like it. We are a grown up nation, not a bunch of angry children retreating into a fantasy world because the real one doesn't suit us.

Of course, your post evades the main issue I identified - yet another lying right wing meme. I'm guessing you don't have an issue with that.

 

It's wildly dishonest of you to leave out the fact that the late votes are mail-in votes, that Republicans were told not to vote by mail, and that Republicans passed laws prohibiting those votes from being counted earlier.

Goebbels and Alinsky smile upon you. You've learned their lessons well.

 

I have given my honest opinion. If you don’t like it, tough.

You have a lot of nerve to call me a liar.

 

It's dishonest to claim that the vote counting is purely random. That's a fact. I go by facts, and facts don't care about your feelings.

I imagine the dishonesty wasn't deliberate on your part. Your masters feed you certain talking points, so you repeat them without thinking.

 

I think that many elections are now rigged. I have lost faith in the election process because of ballot harvesting and the unsecured aspects of mail-in voting. Official ballots have been floating around waiting to be marked.

That was a fact in 2020. Ballots were mailed to voters unsolicited. No one knows what could have happened to them from there. In the recent Republican primary, my mail-in ballot was delivered to my neighbor’s mail box. I had no idea where that ballot was.

This idea that we have to wait days to find out what the mail-in votes are is a crock. In Florida, those votes have been tabulated before Election Day. We don’t have wait days to see if “the Lone Ranger has ridden in on Silver,” to deliver the votes the Democrats need to win an election.

I will also condemn the opinions of any politician who calls for allowing people without an identification. If Democrats oppose voter ID laws, because they say it disenfranchises minority voters, they need to push for the facilitation in obtaining IDs.

If I am such a crackpot when it comes to questioning the validity of our elective process, why are you Democrats so concerned about what I have written?

 

I live in France. The day the US adopts France's voting laws, I will be for voter ID in the US:
1) free identification card delivered by the state. Renewal every 10 years. Free as well
2) one voting measure across the whole country
3) voter by proxy allowed if you can't vote on the day
4) polling stations far and wide. (Scandal in 2022, one polling station in Paris had a 1 hour waiting time. Made the headlines)

 

It seems our closest allies don't find our voting methods trustworthy.

 

Because moral people think it's important to point out when others are lying for selfish and evil reasons.

Is that so hard to understand?

 

No, I don’t understand. I am sick of crooked elections.

You seem to think that the world has the high ground whenever a Democrat wins an election, regardless of how they do it. Not everyone agrees with you, and that’s not “evil.”