Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

What you eat doesn't determine your morality. Awful people can be vegan or omnivore.

 

why are you "jumping in" given how many times you have run away from this conversation in the past --- but hey, the other two seem to be similarly unable to respond so you are in good company at least.

So now you declare defacto "No it isn't" saying it is not important to know the identity of the God of Jesus - not in name nor in word - in order to understand the Bible .. nor that of any of the other Gods .. Lord Satan .. God of the Israelites .. God of Abraham .. God of Creation ..

Do you not understand "And the word Was God" === If you don't know which "Word" in the Bible is that of your God .. can not identify "your God" one from the other .. how then are you going to be put right with that God ?

Find me the word of your God in the Bible -- and with it you will find the identity of your God in most cases. If you don't know the God of Jesus .. then just admit this -- and to yourself .. and we can then perhaps help you to find your God .. this God whose identity you can not distinguish from the tester of souls .. Chief God over the Earth -- Ha Satan ..

If you don't know the word of your God .. then what is the point of having that God over another . ... what difference does it make.

 

Good post and nice to see you brother Injeun!

 

And being a Christian doesn't determine your morality.
Especially if Christians follow the Bible itself.

https://hill-kleerup.org/blog/2012/06/13/76-things-banned-in-leviticus-and-their-penalties.html

 

What celebration is that, "Hiddly Ho"?...lol...never mind. Hey do you still believe you're the gifted one?...lol...j/k my friend.

Truth is we are all gifts from the Creator Almighty God, for He created everything in existence. He being the Eternal One who has no beginning, who has no end, He simply exists, He who is responsible for All Creation.

Now gifted one I know I answered this question of yours many moons ago on this thread. Obviously you're not keeping notes as we go along.

Ok thanks gift for your posts and nice to see you!

 

So it isn't what Christians eat that bothers you, but what they believe?

 

Nah. It's hypocrisy that bothers me.
And those who set themselves up as authorities on the Bible and what way to be a Christian.
I don't see how quite a lot of things sit easily together, like 'thou shalt not kill' with eating creatures.
No doubt somebody will come along and go on about translation and interpretation, and what the context was, or what the allegory is, and what seems plainly written in the Bible actually means something else.

 

Islam does believe in the Bible and the God of the Bible. Further, they believe that Jesus was the only prophet to work miracles through the power of God.

The Qur'an explains that.

Did the OT predict the coming of Paul, author of so much of the NT?

I'm not impressed by your quote of Matthew, as humans have had literally thousands of religions and variants. And, every one of them saw (or sees) that all of the others are deceivers.

As you point out, YOUR religion is the only true religion, providing us with a triune description of god. And, god's chosen people are all going to hell as they haven't accepted that Jesus totally changed the relationship between man and god.

 

So you believe that mankind and animal-kind are the same?

 

They are living creatures.

 

Wrong many verses in the New Testament that oks what we eat... Jesus the Divine? New Covenant? Look at Romans 14:2-23. And there is another which Peter had a vision of a sheet decending which updated dietary laws for Christians. (in Act?)

 

God didn't give those laws to all creatures, only to man. That's because man is not solely an animal, but the offspring of God. So his laws apply to his offspring. Therefore, "Thou shalt not kill" applies to the killing or murder of man. All the commandments apply to how men are to treat one another and look to God. It says nothing about what to eat.

You can't disbelieve, saying it is all for naught, and then say the one of the commandments is binding because you happen to fancy the words out of context.

 

You can believe those interpretations all you like, that's my point, you are not the authority to be so selective.

 

The trouble is you yourself are providing a context to suit you, can't you see that?
The Bible seems to me to be packed full about eating, start off with Leviticus if you like, are you going to somehow update that, even though Jesus is supposed to have said to honour previous teachings?

 

" We all Gifts from the Creator " you say but, once again have things backwards .. as is often the case when one knows naught one's God. .. I tell you True I have been running into this problem often Who was the Creator giving the Gift to brother Mitt .. are you the author of Polytheism ?

We are all given Gifts from our creator Mitt ... each having different gifts .. some more that others when it comes to deception and deflection .. those that know naught .. as we read in Scripture "Thy Hallowed Name"

You have not told me the name of the God of Jesus brother Mitt .. for his word is not your God. nor did you get the name of your own God correct - who's word you follow hoping to receive salvation on that basis .. Your God's name is Jealous --- and as we read in scripture --

"The Dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on its horns, and on each head a blasphemous name"

The blasphemous name to the Logos--- desecration of the Word .. and so No Brother Mitt -- the Hallowed name of "The Father" of Jesus is not "Jealous" That's some other God whispering in the ear of the young apprentice .. turning him to the dark side .. away from the Light .. the Truth and the way.

 

Nope...sorry buster brown but you're just spewing the old non-believer talking point that's centuries old which is, "There is no evidence"

Quite the contrary for there are some evidences that the Holy Bible is inspired (God-breathed) as declared in 2 Timothy 3:16, it's just that you're in denial of them ...so be it.

So do all the laughter now while you're able to but there will come a day of judgment when all the ridicule, mocking, laughter stops. Eternity is such a very long time to be wrong in your belief system.

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

I'm not providing a context. I'm including the context you left out.

 

You seem to have difficulty understanding "evidence". Using your source to prove your source is known as a basic flaw in logic, argumentation, and debate.

LOL!! You don't know who you're talking to and how much I have experienced and know. I've been so deep in spirituality that I "came out the other side" and now I see through it. I know what "the kingdom of God is within you" means as a direct, immediate experience.

I'm not afraid of "burning in hell".

 

The New Covenant !! Yay .. get rid of the old rules and in with the new.. what could be better than changing the rules as we progress. Perhaps God has changed his wicked ways .. the good God now giving a new set of rules .. I mean what kind of discrimination against the Pig -- we must love the Pig...

but - hold on here fella's -- God Supreme .. is not Jeckel and Hyde .. he is the ever solid constant in the Universe .. ... so that is clearly not it.

New Covenant .. means a new God .. plain and simple .. cause you know John 1 "God was the Word" -- just like Jesus is "The Logos" .. a physical manifestation of God's word. .... so if different Covenant .. then different Word .. different God

I think we are confusing the Israelite God named Jealous .. with the God of Jesus. Different word .. different God .. that's how it works in the Bible .. lest ye mistake Ha Satan for a mere mortal .. not give the Devil his due as the very powerful divinity that he is .... Chief God over the earth according to the first temptation of Lord Jesus .. Son of Man meets Son of God -- and makes it out with his soul ..

 

You are doing it again, declaring what things mean.
You are no more an authority on Christianity than I am, and I am certainly not an authority.
I am interested in the hypocrisy and the action of humans assuming any authority, like preachers and priests.

 

I left nothing out, I wrote what I wanted to write, you don’t have the authority to extend that.
If you follow the Bible then stick to what is says…like in Leviticus.
Maybe Leviticus is something you don’t follow.

 

So God inspired the writer to write Abraham was of Ur of the Chaldees? Oh dear. The Chaldeans were 1400 years in the future. Abraham bought land from Ephron the Hittite? The Hittites were 400 year in the future. Moses led a supposed Exodus and Joshua led the people into Palestine - which was ruled by Egypt anyway. What a disappointment.
The story was written in the middle of the 1st millenia when Israel were in exile in Babylon to give the Hebrews a history. You're just rthe same as ever. Spouting from the Bible with no knowledge of the actual background or history of the Bible.

 

What you eat doesn’t determine your morality? So if you are eating the flesh of your dead spouse you are perfectly moral as long as you believe in Jesus?

Killing animals just to fill your stomach is wrong. Raising animals in the horror of the modern factory farm system and then killing then to eat them is even more immoral.

If there were a Jesus, surely he would disapprove of the suffering and abuse that humans perpetrate on animals.

 

At five years of age, one is ready for the study of the Scripture, at ten years of age one is fit for the study of the Mishnah, at the age of thirteen for bar mitzvah, at the age of fifteen for the study of Talmud, at the age of eighteen for marriage, at the age of twenty for pursuing a vocation, at the age of thirty for entering into one’s full vigor…(Avot 5:2l).

Although this statement cannot be dated with certainty and may come from 70 to 150 years after the time of Jesus, it does, nevertheless, reflect what the Jewish boy in Jesus’ day would have been doing in each stage of his growth and development. There were Rabbinic schools for people like Jesus who were well versed in the scriptures at the age of 13. As Jesus was later referred to as teacher and Rabbi about 6 times by various types of people it seems he attended one of these schools. The schools were mainly oral teachings as opposed to the Formal Rabbinic schools set up after the destruction of Jerusalem. It's said that Jesus as a Rabbi was acceptable to the church in the 1st century, became a problem with Christian teaching in the 2nd and dispensed with in the 3rd century where Jesus was declared divine.

 

What might happen now is Christian equivocators giving their own spin on how ‘thou shalt not kill’, actually means you can if it suits.
Thou shalt not kill (or murder) seems to me to be a very stark and plain commandment that the majority of people can easily understand, and it doesn’t need filtering by carnivorous Christian apologists.
If they want to go all in, they can wrestle with the notion that if man is given domain over animals it means to care for them, allow their existence, and protect their environment. How’s that for an interpretation of the scripture?
Those who set themselves up as authorities in this matter can get used to the idea that others can be authoritative too.