All Senate Dems vote against barring taxpayer funds to fly illegal migrants to US towns

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  1. Jack Straw

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    Why don't the liberals here offer up their homes to these immigrants? I mean, I'm sure you (or likely your parents) have an extra bedroom. Invite a few to stay. Feed them, buy them clothes, etc.

    The hypocrisy of liberals never ceases to amaze me. 'Let everyone into the country! Just NIMBY!'
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think so too- but the dems and libs are allowing them to stay there for months, while homeowners spend thousands trying to remove them by civil process.
    I say- charge the squatters with grand larceny, charge the trashy politicians who allow it with malfeasance.

    You don't see that happening- because they investigate themselves, and find they have done nothing wrong..... and you accept that.
     
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    The deepest red states just ship them to blue states which have better gibs me dats on offer and don't treat criminals as harshly.

    FAFO
     
  4. The Mello Guy

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    The fact they can remove them shows it’s not legal. But yah it’s way too hard to do it.
     
  5. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The process is civil pursuit, not protection from law. Literally like someone steals your car, and until you can prove you own it and didn't loan it or rent it to them like they claim- in a court process that can take months- they get to drive it. And what you get back may be scrap- but you won't be able to collect for that either.

    Laws are meant to give social support to concepts of right and wrong, which any rational person can grasp without being a law student.
    IF law is not able to do that, people will decide it's useless- and the concept of revenge and vigilante justice will return.
    You can only piss on people so long, and they will rebel. It may start with protest, but if gentle doesn't work, it can become anything. In the French revolution, it was to cut off the heads of the offenders.
    The right answer for politicians of any breed is to serve the people, uphold the laws, and do it honestly and transparently.

    The will of the people is that the border situation be ended- immigration closed immediately, and entry limited to those who apply properly and are vetted and accepted. NOT by Jo Biden's will, but by the principles of immigration that brought contributing people to America in the past. That will is also that the tax money they give to the government will be spent for their benefit, not for the benefit of foreign intruders.
     
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    That's not even close to accurate, squatting is most definitely illegal, but in most cases it is treated as a civil case rather than a criminal case. That is until tenancy is determined by the courts, then it can potentially become a criminal case

    What are you even basing all of this on? Because it seems like you're just making all of this up... weird
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What's weird is being unable to think rationally, to see, observe and conclude rationally, and to believe things that are fundamentally contrary to the common sense that is inherently available to every human being.
    The increasing level of this is a phenomenon that is unprecedented in the history of free people everywhere. For a great many people- reality has become negotiable to the point that they are dysfunctional; could not survice if they couldn't live in a fantasy, and hate any who point out that is what they are trying to do. It's an old problem, that for some reason has expanded exponentially.

    I'm not making this up; I've been involved in the process of understanding how people think and are motivated for a very long time. I've been teaching people how to get their thinking in order and take power over their own lives for more than 40 years. The concepts are simple to teach- but nearly impossible to learn. Because once people have their subconsciouses programmed with illusions- they measure everything with that; it controls what and how they can think. It's what makes people vulnerable to deceptions and is extremely limiting. It has nothing to do with politics other than the degree to which people are gullible and susceptable to manipulatons- which unfortunately is huge. One psychologist who came to my class speculated that only one in 50,000 or more people could reprogram themselves without help- and that most wouldn't even consider the idea they should. Over time, I found that to be true. If a person is fortunate enough to be born into the right nurturing environment, they have access to a huge range of natural abilities. To the degree they are not, those abilities diminish, and destructive concepts limit them all their lives. That's not just theory, you can see it in the number of people who demonstrate great capacity and solid identities, compared to the number who struggle all their lives and never learn to be happy.

    Such people are unable to learn how to take power over their own minds and lives, because they are already programmed to let outside elements do it. And they invariably think those who can are making it up, and usually perceive that as having some kind of negative or malicious motive. There are two worlds here- separated by the capacity to think independently, to access the natural capacities that all people have... but few are aware of and even fewer can find and use. The few drive great technological advances- but the human mind is not benefiting from that. It's becoming dependent on that, losing the capacity to think effectively and independently... and falling further and further behind.

    I'm not making that up either. It's all around you, if you are willing to look. This issue is far beyond the question of being able to concoct some distortion of law to legitimize it- it's fundamentally offensive to and a violation of basic common sense. You don't need a lawbook to tell you that, unless you can't think for yourself.
     
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    Nice try but if I know the left, someone is gonna respond saying that person is just someone that doesn't discriminate against disabled people , to be followed with possibly a statue erected in his honor
     
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    You’re claiming that someone who squats is not breaking any laws, and that someone with a visa approved by the Department of State is an illegal immigrant. Both of these claims are objectively wrong. Claiming otherwise doesn’t mean you’re a free thinker, it means you’re wrong.
     
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  10. spiritgide

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    When you manipulate the interpretation of laws to permit wrongdoing- the wrongdoing is still a crime. IF you were a "free-thinker" you would know that.
    Laws are man-made rules attempting to keep people from doing wrongful things. They are at best- limited by how well we conceive them, and how vulnerable they are to the unscrupulous among us.
    The real laws are those which tell us, assuming you are a person capable of complete self-awareness- what is right and what is wrong. These don't have to be written for just men to know them.
    A judge, a long time friend of mine once commented- "The best regulator is the self-regulator. We only need laws to try to control those who won't- and if everybody self-regulated, I'd be out of a job..."

    Over history, laws have been written to allow slavery, to permit genocide, to imprison, to torture, to steal and about every other dispicable act.
    You seem to under the illusion that an unjust law or distorting a law makes such offenses legal, and being legal, they are rightful.
    I'm confident I know why you do that. I'm also confident that you do not know- or even question.
     
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    The distinction between legal and illegal is defined quite simply by law. If they entered the country somewhere other than a port of entry, they are illegal. If they entered at a port of entry there is a record of it. Nothing confusing about it all except in the leftist media.
     
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    And republicans are still calling people who didnt break the law, illegal.
     
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    Still no answer to my question huh? Not surprising.

    How many of our liberal friends here have offered up their personal homes to these poor refugees, simply in search of a better life? Surely you all would be more than willing to feed, house, clothe, and give them money?
     
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    Not true. They only call illegal aliens illegal because they are. They broke the law by entering the U.S. somewhere other than at a port of entry. Even Americans have to enter through a port of entry. Americans who travel internationally have to go through customs when they return home. The customs facilities are ports of entry. Americans who enter the country outside of a port of entry also break the law. There are many ports of entry scattered across the border with Mexico. The law is very clear.
     
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    The people referenced in the OP broke NO LAWS.
     
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    Is anyone here starting to see a pattern?

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    Yes, the pattern is Republicans are continuing their political theater and show no interest in getting anything substantive done.

    Senator Warnock(D-GA)
    “To answer your question succinctly, this is smoke and mirrors by people who are not serious. We had a bipartisan piece of legislation in front of us. It had a lot of provisions, some provisions that some folks on my side didn’t like. But the only way to get comprehensive immigration reform, the only way to address the current crisis on the border in divided government, is on a bipartisan basis,” he added.

    Laken Riley, a 22-year-old nursing student, was found dead last month after her roommate reported that she hadn’t returned from a morning run on the University of Georgia (UGA) campus. Police have said she was killed by a Venezuelan migrant who entered the country illegally in 2022.

    Since then, Republicans have used her death to bring attention to the situation at the southern border. Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.), sponsor of the Laken Riley Act, held a seat vacant for her at President Biden’s State of the Union address last week.

    Warnock previously knocked Republicans for trying to “score cheap political” points in connection to Riley’s death after her name was invoked during the State of the Union address. He said in his interview with host Joy Reid that lawmakers should “get serious” about the border.
     
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    are you referring to people like the Afghans that assisted us in the war, risked their lives and would be in harms way had we not got them out?
     
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    if a law like this existed, and Israel was losing the war, we could not get them out with taxpayer dollars, this law was too strict, did not allow legitimate exceptions
     
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    No, Biden screwed them over, as he does most of the people who pay the bills and make things work. I'm referring to giving what the working people pay taxes for to people who ignore our laws and come here to take what they can get. Biden relates to those people, obviously.
     
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    Has nothing to do with the legal immigrants from the OP.
     
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    OP is people who broke no laws. Just FYI
     
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    nope, Trump made a bad deal with the terrorist rather than including Afghanistan in on the deal making, the worst President ever
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yall ever read the news?
     
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    what did you read....

    "Trump put 5,000 Taliban fighters back in battle and tied Biden’s hands in Afghanistan"

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...-battle-and-tied-Biden-s-hands-in-Afghanistan

    "Top Taliban leaders are among the 5000 that Trump released last year over everyone's objections"

    https://www.alternet.org/2021/08/trump-taliban/

    "Afghanistan: Taliban leader Mullah Baradar returns after release from prison"


    https://news.sky.com/video/afghanistan-taliban-leader-mullah-baradar-returns-12384306
     
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