Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Is that the best you’ve got?
Reduced to personal insults?
Pray for forgiveness Mr Christian.

 

Wrong. You're making excuses for a wannabee dictator who has clearly stated his goals and intentions. You can pretend not to know if you want but you don't fool anyone.

 

He sent them to "fight like hell".

 

You also said in post 3035 that salvation is by faith alone, and I showed that to be unbiblical. You must agree because you haven't challenged me on it. So you know you shouldn't have said salvation is by faith alone because it's wrong.

 

Some Americans are so deluded, especially when it comes to Donald Trump.
Joe Biden is irrelevant in such a conversation, Trump is a stand alone prince of darkness, thick as pig manure, serial liar, and sexual predator.
What about when he re drew that map of part of America, or thought you could sort out a hurricane by nukeing them, or drink bleach to tackle Covid, or the Prince of Wales (Wales is a country) was the Prince of Whales? That person now being the King of England. Then his dalliance with Stormy Daniel’s whilst his wife was pregnant. And more and more.
Not only is Trump totally self centred, but he is seriously evil, but his apologists will excuse everything about him, even if he squatted over their mouths and defecated down their throats.
This is nothing to do with left or right, Republican or Democrat, it is to do with a seriously nasty person lusting for power.
Even make America Great Again is pathetic, America is great right now, and flawed too, as it has always been. I reckon if you ask Trump what moment in the past ‘again’ is supposed to reference he will probably go back to the day he was born.
Those of you who defend him, please stay away from normal people and go and oil and polish your weapons for the day you try to kill everybody who isn’t you.

 

If I thought I was wrong I would not post.

 

Not really. Part of posting involves subjecting your pov to scrutiny to determine if you're wrong. Nothing bad about being wrong, but refusal to admit when you are is problematic.

 

Then subject my pov to scrutiny.

 

I don't know what you are talking about. Post 3035 is Mitts post. Imo, faith versus works is a silly debate. You can't believe or have faith in God without serving in one capacity or another, depending on your talents and the command of God. And you can't serve God without believing and having faith. Were it faith alone, men of God would make no prophecies, teachings, exhortations, sacrifices and so on. All of that is work. There'd be no baptizing's, no baptism, no reception of the holy ghost, no repentance, no nothing. And the whole economy of salvation would stop dead in its tracks. Neither of course would Jesus have served his mission beyond sitting in a chair in belief. Still after all that we do, it is by Gods hand that we are saved.

 

Lol. You're so blind as to what is actually going on it's like you're living outside of reality unaware of what's really going on in the real world...haha!

This country has a dictator right now it's Joe. Let's see...he forced covid-19 vaccinations upon millions of people, they got fired if they refused to get the vaccine. He's forcing Americans to buy EVs, he wants to phase out all gasoline driven vehicles by 2030. He unconstitutionally is paying student loan debt off in which the Supreme Court told him he does not have the power to do that but since he's a dictator he is doing it anyway...lol

He is not fulfilling his oath of duty in protecting the homeland by allowing millions upon millions of foreign people to enter into this country illegally. At the present time it is estimated that between 10 - 15 million foreign people have entered illegally into the country since Joe has been in office.

Our freedom of choice is slowing eroding away because we got a dic running the country.

Ok thanks Kode for your post, I suggest you to wake up and smell the coffee...son! You should find alternative sources from where you get your news, obviously right now you're getting fake news from the mainstream media and gobbling it all up like the gullible person that you are...lol

 

He saved many lives by the vaccination order, and will save many lives of your children by removing the use of petrol driven machines. As I reminded someone your country was formed by 'illegal' immigrants centuries ago. If you were in their position you wouldn't want to better yourself? Maybe save your own life? We have the same problem in the UK and throughout Europe. Even in the East migration is a problem. You are the blind one. Like so many you cannot see beyond your own perspective.

Bier calculated release and removal rates for the last two years of former President Donald Trump’s term and the first 26 months of Biden’s, using DHS data, including the lifecycle report, ICE detention statistics and other figures published by the Republican majority on the House Judiciary Committee. Bier wrote in November that his work showed the Biden administration “has removed a higher percentage of arrested border crossers in its first two years than the Trump DHS did over its last two years. Moreover, migrants were more likely to be released after a border arrest under President Trump than under President Biden.”

While the raw numbers are much higher under Biden — 5 million encounters compared with 1.4 million under Trump in those time frames — the percentages for the two administrations were similar: 47% removed under Trump and 51% under Biden. Bier’s estimates are for illegal immigration between ports of entry. (As our bar graph above shows, both administrations had removal rates above 50% when Title 42 was being used to expel people.)

“These numbers highlight how difficult it was even for the most determined administration in US history to expel everyone who enters illegally,” Bier wrote. FactCheck Org.

 

Ahem....post 3035 was my post and not brother Injeun's post. A while back I responded to a post by gift regarding this topic of salvation by faith alone and I thoroughly explained to him why salvation is by faith alone which is biblical and not unbiblical as you wrongly believe.

Now holla if you or anyone want to see that thorough explanation I gave to gift if not so be it.

Ok thanks Kode for your post that you mistakenly directed it to brother Injeun when it should have been directed to me.

 

Well let's not forget, we were told people still got the disease and died regardless if they took the vaccine. And there were many people who got the disease and recuperated and so they had natural immunity but he still forced them to take the vaccine. He did not give them a choice, he the dictator that he was.

Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

We're still left with four times the problem under Biden and the effects of the lefts sanctuary dog whistle. How you can reckon a thing that's four times worse as being equivalent to Trump and an even better job by Biden is an insult to common sense. Not to mention the lefts constant criticisms of everything the Trump admin and border patrol did to make our border secure. Liberals aren't interested in a secure border or a decent country and people. Only in chaos, corruption, and the accumulation of power by pandering to decay.

 

In general the vaccine was a saver to millions. Those going without and catching Covid passed it on to others unvaccinated. There are always people who react to drugs in different ways whatever it is. Vaccination brought the rate of deaths down. How does one know one has immunity until exposed to the virus? You put your safety belt on in a car by orders from above to avoid injury. Was the person who introduced that wrong to try to save lives? The epidemic was spreading and the vaccine slowed down the rate of deaths. Survival of the fittest is OK as long as you are among the fittest. I will never know as I have had the main jab and 5 followups.
It's interesting that after the Christmas holidays and the big gathering of people hospitals in many parts of the USA Hospitals received an upsurge of cases for around 8 weeks. I wonder how many of those had been vaccinated.

 

Biden doesn't hire and fire, so you're making up garbage.

Absolutely not. I don't have one. And I feel no pressure to coerce me.

Great goal but I don't think it's possible. He recently handed out a number of leases for oil drilling, so reality is in conflict with your story.

Let's see you document that. You have it all twisted up for your partisan cravings.

That's a bunch of hyperbole. It's not happening. Any entering illegally are probably drug smugglers and they've been coming in under Trump too.

Foreign hopefuls coming for asylum are being met at the border and processed according to law.

...estimated by Fox News.

Bullshit.

As expected, you avoid mainstream media! . . . -which means you only accept fringe, biased fake "news" because that is your only option. And name-calling is against forum rules. You can't even comply with forum rules so how can we believe you are honest about anything?

And yet, you are the one falling for fringe "news" and believing it!

 

Yep, I made that error. You two are so much alike.

I'd like to see your explanation to see if it comes anywhere near addressing any of the verses I listed that say there are things do be done since you never addressed anything I raised in 3036 about "the morning star" or the list of verses in 3037.

 

As expected you say things without really knowing for sure if your statement is 100% factual. I get my news from mainstream as well as other outlets such as Fox News and satellite radio. What I've found is that outlets such as MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN are all mouthpieces for the democratic party, they are more pro-democratic party. They have been protecting Joe from all his crooked activities and so talk about being biased just watch them then check out what Fox and others have to say, you will be amazed.

Fox News shows you footage of what's going on at the border with the influx of all these foreigners from all over the world who are illegally coming into the country. On the other networks they shy away from showing this type of footage.

I find Fox News to really be fair and balanced while not so much on the other outlets. So to really know what's going on, you need to hear what both sides are saying and fact-check them that's what I do that's why I'm more informed than you are when it comes to discerning what's real news and what's fake news.

Lol, you should talk, I mean so is the use of spewing out profane words against forum rules of which you're guilty of...haha! And c'mon a little bit of critique is harmless. I like to say myself stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me...haha!

Ok thanks Kode for your post, try to mix it up and watch some Fox News and listen to satellite radio for a change, I believe you will like it especially since real news comes out of their airwaves.

 

Hate to burst bubble but the claim that vax saved lives of any but those dead already is spectacularly false ... as was the claim that the Vax was safe.

Second -- Biden's "Not in my back yard - Dump it in the Ocean" environmental policy does not save any lives .. what the heck are you talking about ? How does a program that seeks to increase CO2 and Ocean Pollution (the number one horse racing towards the abyss) save lives ?

Let us not drink the anti -Science progressive blue totalitarian koolaid Brother Trev .. that's just as bad as sucking back the flavor du jour of fundamentalist broth ..

and shame on you for putting me in such position .. good grief.

Forced medical treatment -- the brown shirts would be proud .. demonizing dissenters as "Unclean" big time demonization of the "Other" via propaganda .. restricting movement .. the vax passport the equivalent of a yellow star designation .. and modern fascist Krystal Nacht .. "Jab or lose Job"

Disgusting totalitarianism .. sad commentary Trev.

 

So what you're saying is that vaccination of a workforce did not prevent the one man who could have caught it from possibly spreading it through the whole 'factory' and closing the factory with loss of production. How many would be immune is simply guesswork. I don't know what vaccine you used over there but the vaccines we used were pretty effective once perfected.
In the UK Under-vaccination was related to significantly more hospitalisations and deaths across all age groups studied, with under-vaccinated people over 75 more than twice as likely to have a severe COVID-19 outcome than those who were fully protected.

. Don't understand your second point. Fossil fuels such as petrol, coal etc pollute the atmosphere and the ozone layer. You only have to look at countries/cities that do so. And doesn't Trump intend increasing the use of these? Fortunately for the future fusion fuel is a possibility as shown by recent experiments. But it is some way off yet.

An estimated 18% of American adults, including more than a third in Wyoming, have never received a single dose of a Covid vaccine, as of January 2024. Some people have a medical or religious reason for avoiding the shots; others may not think that Covid’s threat warrants vaccination or accept that the shots offer benefits.

Distrust of vaccines is the result of a number of factors. An anti-vaccine movement that first took hold in the US and parts of Europe has spread globally, fed by misinformation, including fraudulent claims that vaccines cause autism and infertility. The speed of Covid vaccine development heightened concerns that the shots were rushed and cleared without adequate safety checks. Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine drew skepticism from some researchers who said it obtained registration before late-stage clinical trials were completed.

Some researchers point to a general erosion in trust in science that often plays out along partisan or ideological lines: those with conservative-leaning views are typically less trusting of science and more inclined to spurn Covid vaccination. Some people have embraced various unscientific conspiracy theories. For instance, one links Bill Gates to Covid’s creation resulting in vaccine mandates that facilitated global surveillance using an invisible microchip tattoo.

Racial discrimination in health care has dissuaded vaccination among racial and ethnic minorities, for whom a lack of trust is rooted in history, including cruel and inhumane medical experimentation. Trust in public health officials may have been eroded during the pandemic by the CDC’s release of flawed diagnostic tests as well as bungled and conflicting messages around aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2, mask-wearing, notions of herd immunity, the ability for vaccines to protect against infection, and self-isolation guidance. Health officials are sometimes inclined to cherry-pick or misrepresent data to encourage certain precautions and discourage others. Some state-level health authorities were accused of withholding data to distort the potential risks and benefits of vaccinating young men.

bloomberg.com

 

What ? No .. that is not what I said Trevor -- nor does the Jab preventing one person from spreading it to another (the person doesn't necessarily spread it to the whole factory - the second assumed premise fallacy) . prevent the spread of disease to that factory at some point. That is not how the spread of a virus works --- mathematically.

Let us assume that the vax helps 1 in every 1 million people from getting the virus .. and thus they do not spread the virus to others. This is going to do nothing to stop or even slow the spread of the virus throughout the population .. so at some point --- a point no different than with your one person not transmitting on a statistical basis .. the virus is going to visit the factory .. ravage through its people .. infecting those who are susceptible to infection.

There will be no loss of production overall in the economy. and Trevor cries out but but but .. it was much better than 1 in 1 million right ?? Maybe - as this amount would not even pass placebo effect .. but !! -- we do know that this number is statistically zero . there is no significant decrease in transmission ... and in order overcome rapid spread and achieve prevention "Like a Normal Vax Does" you need it to be 95+ % effective .. some ridiculously high number like that .. by comparison.

So - to hit the Prevention Bar .. requires a high level of effectiveness... and we knew shortly after the Jab came out that it did not meet this bar "Significant prevention" .. the CDC admitting this "relatively soon" after the vax came out ..

the following is one of the early studies...

CDC: 74% Of People Infected in Massachusetts COVID-19 Outbreak Were Vaccinated
CDC: 74% Of People Infected in Massachusetts COVID-19 Outbreak Were Vaccinated (verywellhealth.com)

In addition to showing no Prevention of Transmission - the Jab did nothing to prevent hospitalization .. in fact the unjabbed slightly less likely .. but of course .. and a good example of statistical insignificance. for all intensive purposes was no difference.

Larger and more exhaustive studies "London Study" for example - confirmed no significant transmission prevention .. absolutely terrible transmission prevention .. so much so that I don't think this treatment should be called a vaccine .. failing of the main functions .. and nor did it seem to soften the blow of Covid (as per this study) except there seems to be some evidence that in the extremely unhealthy - many co-morbidities really old and ready do die - and morbidly obese demographic .. folks without properly functioning immune systems -- the Jab seems to have had some benefit.

Not for moderately healthy people though .. which -- and it is really unfortunate - is one of the big lies that carried on .. and still to this day.

 

The vaccine might be less effective for preventing infection with the Delta variant, but it still offers excellent protection against the need for hospitalization and against death,” Richard Watkins, MD, an infectious disease physician and professor of internal medicine at the Northeast Ohio Medical University, tells Verywell.

The data suggest that booster shots may be needed at some point, Weiss adds. “The federal government hasn’t issued guidance for that yet, but I hope they will in the near future,” he says.

And, even though some people in the general public have taken the report to suggest that the vaccine doesn’t work, Adalja says it’s actually the opposite.

"The vaccine is efficacious of stopping what matters,” Adalja says. “It underscores the need to get the vaccine into the arms of the unvaccinated, especially those at high risk for hospitalization.”

“The Delta variant is more infectious, and we need to be better protected against it,” Weiss adds. “For those people who have not yet been fully vaccinated, it’s time that they should start to protect themselves.”

 

I thought hospitalisation in America is prevented by the hight cost of it.

 

Trevor - stay with me - we are not talking about "protection against need for hospitalization and against death" - which is complete BS for the same reason told you in the last post but ... We are talking about Transmission .. your factory worker .. and the fact that the Jab does not do squat to prevent transmission - a complete failure as a vaccine in that respect.

Do you understand Trevor ? --- the claim you were parroting was a lie -- spewed out by the mainstream Blue Covid Cancel Crew media ... and many health institutions .. Gov't health sites and private .. chiming in on the vaccine spin. The justification for the lie ... to combat vaccine hesitancy .. a justification I hope to God you don't agree with ..... even though I can feel the pain of this necessary illusion bubble popping. .. is a very sad thing to lose trust in our health system.

The rational for the lie .. peddling the propaganda that many -- including yourself bought into .. and why not ... who expects propaganda to be coming out of our health institutions ? not a happy thing .. but the rational for the lie was "To combat vaccine hesitancy" a justification I hope you don't agree with.

Now don't let my great religious arguments fool you into thinking that I am not a Subject Matter Expert (your lucky day) w/respect to assessment of Covid and related science. Note how your transmission argument was crushed - crucified .. and "The Science" provided .. complete with link. Not that you understood the science being presented .. which was unfortunately not the case .. but the mere fact that it was an Science argument properly presented ...

but rather than recognize the crucifixion of position .. like the fundamentalists when position crucified .. have gone into a similar kind of deflection .. and denial response .. which clearly was not triggered by some cult leader implanting some thought stopping device .. I have noticed similar in general society so don't feel alone .. it is very normal however just as scary as the religious brain-washing.

"excellent protection against hospitalization and death" is another lie .. but one already pointed out to you in the previous post -- which means we need to take a step back ..

The study given you .. and my citation from that study .. showed no difference in protection against hospitalization-Death between vaxed and unvaxxed. right there you should be asking why is one study saying something completely different than the other. ? -- and if this the case , that there are studies on both sides .. why the frick and frack is one study claiming defacto "excellent protection against hospital and Death" ? ?

That's not how science works .. especially medical science .. a phrase such as "some studies suggest the jab may reduced hospitalization risk" would be appropriate

BUT - even this would be a lie .. via the sin of omission .. one that I already told you .. so having to repeat the second time .. that apparent reduced hospitalization risk only applies to the almost dead already demographic .. has no relation to normal healthy people .. simply doesn't apply .. so don't buy that lie either.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news .. but this is SME speaking .. to 99 of the population .. no reduction in visit to hospital however the increase in visits due to the Jab now that is something 1 in 800 having a Severe Adverse Reaction according to the Pfizer-Moderna Phase III clinical trials.

last .. please find me the number of healthy people who died from Covid ... if you wish to respond in any way to the above science .. you will find .. there was almost none .. Statistically insignificant .. from Omicron which infected near everyone who had not been infected with previous strain.

There was no risk of harm to begin with .. to normal average healthy person. .. another lie that probably 95% of the population bought into ... not much of a scary pandemic if regular folks are not dying .. the death rate in my area 5 million people .. 40 per 100,000 ... the average flu season rate of death influenza -pneumonia .. is 20 per 100,000 .. so was double .. but all in the old folks homes .. no children showing up dead .. lest they have some severe condition .. no immune system .. that kind of thing.

Not exactly the Plague . which killed 50,000 per 100,000

 

Y'all do your research.. there is plenty of new revelations on the Shroud investigation.