Part 39 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

Why haven't you replied to my questions in 3036 about "the morning star" or the list of verses in 3037?

 

The most persuasive thing for me is Trump's own words saying he will arrest his opponents, be a dictator on day one, replace seasoned professionals in government with "yes" men, abandon Ukraine and let Putin do what he wants with it, end transgender rights, promote oil production, eliminate the Department of Education and promote "patriotic education" (brainwashing), ban all abortions, eliminate NOAA, ban all reference and use of climate science in development of policies, and deploy the U.S. military to shut down protests.

Which of the above troubles you, Mitt? Any?

 

First of all how you came up with that figure of 99.99% is beyond me, you might as well have just made it 100%.

So let's do some simple math here, there are a little over 2 billion Christians world-wide and so I will just use the figure 2 billion. After doing the math of 2 billion multiplied by .9999 the result comes out to 1,999,800,000 Christians according to you are cultists...I'd say that's just ludicrous.

Claiming that 99.99% of Christians deny the meaning of these particular verses from Scripture that you presented is just nonsense.

Again, let me repeat the meaning of the word cult as defined by Christians. “A cult is a religious group that denies one or more of the fundamentals of biblical truth.”

Fundamentals of biblical truth are essentially Christian Core Beliefs. And Christian Core Beliefs is believing that:

Jesus is the Son of God and is equal with God.

Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life.

Jesus was crucified to pay the penalty for our sins.

Jesus rose from the dead

We are saved by the grace of God; that is, we cannot add to or take away from Christ’s finished work on the cross as full payment for our sin.

It could be argued that belief in the inerrancy of God’s Word is also a core belief of Christianity because, if the Bible’s truthfulness is suspect, then all we know about God is in doubt. Saving faith is inextricably linked to the Word of God:

We Read in Scripture:

17 So faith comes from hearing, that is, hearing the Good News about Christ. Romans 10:17 NLT

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

Tell me brother Todd what is the latest you've learned on the Shroud investigation? Do you have any videos to share?

Ok thanks brother Todd for your post.

 

Back on Sept. 27, 2022 I responded to a post by gift regarding his statements below:

The link below goes to the thread that has my in-depth thorough explanation of salvation by faith alone.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...g-christianity.593626/page-39#post-1073752900

Ok thanks Kode for your post.

 

The problem is that you are assuming that the standard Christian understandings are "fundamental biblical truths". But right away you present a standard Christian belief that entirely misses the truth, and you are so convinced your beliefs about it are truths that you will reject the actual truth to hold onto your beliefs. That is a sign of a cult and is cultish behavior.

So here's the truth: Jesus was not equal to God. The real meaning of scripture is that Jesus was not Jesus. He was the "Christ". He appeared in the form of a man, which made it possible for the Christ to communicate (through the flesh) with mankind. It was/is the Christ who is equal to God, -not the man "Jesus". Now go ahead and reject and deny and attack this. You have to.

There's another cultish idea. Payment was not required. Jesus showed the way to the spirit. But the simplistic idea of "payment for sin" was easy for those who only feed on milk to accept.

And yet there are all those verses I listed saying the believer must DO something, like "overcome the world" for example, otherwise stated as "crucify the flesh with it's affections and lusts" (desires, preferences, wants), and "circumcise the heart", purify ourselves "even as he is pure". But all this, I'm sure, is foolishness to you. (Read 1 Corin 2:14)

What you read and believe in the bible is not the truth if it is believed that what is written is a factual account of actual literal meanings because it ignores the biblical teaching about the teachings being "milk" and that the "strong meat" is hidden in the "milk" because "ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able."

IOW, you do not possess the truth until you receive and digest and assimilate the "meat" for that is where the truth is found.

 

For you brother Mitt I will sort through them. There are dozens, I will try to find one concise. The 11th century carbon dating was done on a repair job that was indeed 11th century. The image was Lyft by a burst of electromagnetic energy, I believe in the blue scale. It left billions of data points by which the scientist were able to make a 3-D model of the man in the shroud. Think LIDAR which is how they get satellite. Photos of cities lost deep in the jungle. The amount of detail is almost incredible . There is also a detailed study on pollen collected from the shroud, some of it specific to plants that only grew around Jerusalem. The linen itself conforms with burial shrouds used in first century, Jerusalem. I believe that the study at this late date in human history has been enabled by the Lord so no one can have an excuse not to know the supernatural being was raised from the dead, they want scientific information, God gave it to them now they have to turn their hearts or admit that they are going down the wrong path. Their biggest problem is if they except Jesus, then they have to except the Bible, and it’s totality, every jot and tittle. They will have to study it to understand what they consider contradictions. It is truly a supernatural book, set of books. 40 authors, over more than 5000 years put together a cohesive whole . It is the dictated Infallible Word

 

@ToddWB , you said :
"Their biggest problem is if they except Jesus, then they have to except the Bible, and it’s totality, every jot and tittle. They will have to study it to understand what they consider contradictions."

The bible says in 2nd Corinthians, 3:6: "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

Romans 2:29 - "but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter"

"In the letter" means "taken literally as written in words", and elsewhere it speaks of "milk" vs. "meat". Your admonition to "excepting"(SIC) the bible "totally" is a call to accept it literally as reliable fact, which it is not. It is "milk". And nearly every Christian today takes the "milk" as the final truth though the bible says the letter "killeth". Instead, any time they read the direct, spiritual truth ("strong meat") they declare it to be blasphemy and "of the devil", which makes them guilty of the "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit". And they refuse to understand as they go on their way blaspheming the bible, the Spirit, and Jesus.

Think about how apt is the bible reference to milk and meat. It's uncanny.

 

The 2bn Christians can be whittled down greatly. Most are Christian in name only. Babies christened/baptised in church and put on the church register. Mum and Dad making promises to 'god' they don't believe in and never attend church but quench their 'thirst for righteousness' down at the local pub. They and the child will never see the inside of a church again. I've seen it happen more times than I care to mention. The Christian religion is on the decline in the USA and much of European. Many people, when asked their religion reply Christian. In many cases it is more acceptable to be a 'Christian' than 'no religion' when asked.

 

@Kode.. are you a believer?

 

No. I'm an experienced understander. I've seen the mountain.

 

Again. I repeat nothing can be proved without the DNA of the Jewish preacher. The shroud presents nothing that could not be another crucified criminal.

 

The Shroud of Turin: Photograph of the Resurrection - Part 1: Science of a Miracle (2024 Updates) (youtube.com)

For Starters It is a unique and unreproducible relic

 

You don't say...by what percentage would you say? That's all right no need to answer for it would just be an unsubstantiated figure being it would just be your opinion and nothing factual. But of course it may have whittled down somewhat but I wouldn't use the word 'greatly' unless I have substantiated evidence.

Just because your mum and dad are what you're describing here, doesn't mean that must be the case in every Christian household...you have no idea what's going on in other families but just your own. So just speak for your own.

But that child grew up to be a Christian preacher in the local church. So when you gave up being a Christian your mum and dad followed your lead and never saw the inside of a church again and quenched their 'thirst for righteousness' down at the local pub...so sad...indeed!

So are you saying your other family members like aunts and uncles and their families did the same as your family? Boy, you must have really persuaded/influenced them when you gave up the religion...huh?

Well to be truthful the Christian religion and all the other religions of the world for that matter have never ever been the most believed religion, meaning that the majority of the 7 billion or so people worldwide do not adhere to one particular religion, however Christianity still has the most followers world-wide than any other religion with 31.11% of the entire world population being Christians.

Below is a chart that was taken in 2020:

But it is not surprising that there is no one religion that the majority of the population of the entire world would believe in. After all Lord Jesus told us you can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate and the highway to hell is broad and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way but the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult and only a few ever find it.

We Read in Scripture:

The Narrow Gate

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said, 13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell [a] is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

Footnotes
a. 7:13 Greek The road that leads to destruction.

Ok thanks trev for your post.

 

Thanks for your contribution brother Todd for presenting those videos of evidence.

 

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...the highway to hell is broad and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way'...

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What do you suppose those who choose that way think hell/the lake of fire to be?

 

Surprisingly many scientists disagree with you.

 

No Mitt. I wasn't referring to my Dad and Mum. They were both Christians at their death.

I was referring to the many services I have attended where the events I spoke of occurred regularly. This happened in different denominations.

31.11% . How many are, as I pointed out, nominal Christians. Look at your church attendances and those in the UK.
Across Europe, the continent that nurtured Christianity for most of two millennia, churches, convents, and chapels now stand empty and increasingly derelict. The decline in faith and church attendance over the past half century has led to this transformation. Many of these once-sacred structures are being repurposed to preserve their historical and architectural relevance, while others have opened up to non-religious activities, expanding their use.

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I find it exceptionally funny that you give the statistics of religions with over 31% of the world being Christian, and then immediately following that you post a verse that says "only a few ever find it"!!!!!!!!! Do you really think 2.3 billion people is "a few"??? LOL!!!!! And you think they've all "found it"!

I adequately explained "few" yesterday and nobody peeped as they ran from the thought and hid.

 

I suspect that most people harbor a hidden belief that God is probably real, and that accountability for how we live our lives, comes at check out. And all the rhetoric to the contrary is nothing other than vain push back, so as to live inconsequentially. It borders on the feral or drunken. Problem is, no one has returned from the dead to say otherwise. Were there say two, to do so, as in John's book of Revelation. Their words would terrorize the wicked and unrepentant. And the world would want them dead and quieted because the two would be right, as said John the Apostle. Of course, this train of thought is based on an unverifiable prophecy. But like the hidden knowledge in the soul of every man that God is real, every man suspects that this is probably true too. They only would that it be not in their time, and their days drawn out in peace and the slow coming of passing unto rest. But what is the rest in sin and guilt. Being counseled to repentance is the counsel to find rest. The great sacrifice of Jesus Christ is God the Fathers gift to us in payment of our debt, if we would have it. He has also prepared us to receive his gift by endowing us with the priesthood like power of free choice. The stranger in the matter are our sins which do not belong. In the purest sense, we are all related to God and fitted to him.

 

Well, it would certainly have to be a miracle for the shroud to take on the likeness of the dead in the short time claimed.

And, there is no evidence of who that person actually was or the trail of custody down through time of that particular piece of cloth.

 

not surprising that you are spewing untruths . The skeptics that studied the shroud are now believers.

 

Are you implying that no scientists disagree, and that all skeptics that studied the shroud are now believers?

 

This man made dogma is not "The Word" of Lord Jesus brother Mitt -- There is no equal to God "The Most High" - El Elyon .. God of Abraham and Isaac and Jesus. hence why this God is called the Most high .. and Jesus is not equal to this God.

Who is the God you are claiming Jesus is Equal to Mitt ? and who are you claiming is the Father of Jesus .. seems some confusion here? .. you say Jesus is the son .. but what about Ha Satan .. who is also Son .. brother from another mother right !? and Chief God over the Earth .. .. is this the God you are claiming is the Equal of Jesus ? .. the Father of Jesus ?

I now Idol Martin figures prominently in your worship ...the hands of the devil - minions of deception .. are the hands of men usurping Holy scripture ... and you shall no them by their fruit .. right Brother Mitt ! by their fruit you shall know the wolves.

Tell us more about this God you claim is the Equal of Jesus Mitt .. Do you believe in the power of the Chief God over the Earth .. Ha Satan ? Is this the God you are referring to ...

 

Jesus supposedly ate dead creatures thus breaking one of the Commandments.
What now happens is people saying ah but this, ah but that, context something something, translations something something, allegory something something, if you don’t see it my way you’re a sinner/damned something something.
One impressive feature of the Ten Commandments is they are stripped down and accessible and comprehensible to the ordinary person. Not bearing false witness is pretty straightforward.
But when we get on to thou shalt not kill all these so called Christians turn up and try to say it doesn’t mean what it plainly means.
Jesus said to respect the stuff that came before him, yet ate fish reportedly.
Not such a perfect life huh?