Hard Truths no one wants to hear

These are some hard truths that IMO, are reality. Note- this doesn't mean I agree or want to implement everything listed, its just a hard truth IMO.

1. Only way to stop school shootings is to ban all firearms and make laws for possessing a fire arm 5 year min sentence. Eventually, we would pretty much eliminate the school shootings. A softer approach but one that would still be effective to reduce the death toll and amount of shootings, you would need to ban all firearms but revolvers.

2. You have to have abortion legal due to the mess it creates when its not. Find a universally agreed max timeline, lets say 3-4 months besides in emergencies to the mom's health. Obviously wouldn't make everyone happy, but this would satisfy 90% of the population.

3. We need to increase welfare and safety nets for young moms who keep their children. Dramatically increase. The cost of poorly raised children far outweighs the cost of community support

4. We have to shut down our borders, whether you are a republican or democrat, to truly accomplish long term party goals. For myself, that would be health insurance for all and other social safety nets. We can't accomplish this if we keep adding to our population, regardless of who we add.

Feel Free to add your own

 

I agree with 2,3 & 4 but not 1. I think the only way to stop them is to have heavily armed guards, not take rights away from innocents. A school shooter should be sighted, targeted, and dropped before they can even put their finger on the trigger.

 

While I don't agree that this would work because a black market would still exist and a person willing to shoot up a school is certainly willing to take that risk and probably go to great lengths to find one. For the sake of argument, however, let's stipulate that it would work.

In that scenario, it is not as if suicidal maniacs determined to go out in a blaze of glory would then not have any options. Running people down with a car in the same high school's parking lot would probably be just as effective or perhaps even moreso than a gun for mass carnage. Where there is a will, there is a way. Focusing on the gun is misguided.

 

I wish to dispute #2. Abortion is a medical procedure. Our medical records are none of the government's business. Placing arbitrary limits based on emotional views of pregnancy and abortion is a violation of the personal protections afforded by Section 1 of the 4th Amendment.

 

I agree with everything but the banning of firearms and a slight caveat for #2

We need to end illegal immigration and move those funds to improving the lives of American citizens as we are plummeting in life expectancy and overall happiness

 

You'd have to repeal the second amendment to do that, though I sympathize, i don't think it's American to deny the ownership of at least a couple of firearms to defend home, life and property. Carrying guns in public places should be highly restricted, however.

Agree here but I would want Roe's 22-24 weeks restored.

Welfare is a necessary evil, and you are right about keeping kids out of poverty.

On 4. Shutting down the border is impossible. This is because there are some $3 billion worth of durable goods that traverse the border each day and must be allowed to pass. There are literally 10s of thousands of people who live on one side of the border and work on the other, and must be allowed to pass. Then there are those with legit passports who are traveling for one reason ro the other. What's needed is more resources to tackle the complexity of the problem, the illegals, the drugs, the voluminous asylum seekers, more judges, border agents, detention facilities, etc., which is what the Senate Border bill was designed to do. But, since Trump didn't want Speaker Johson to put it to the floor, for political purposes (better to use it as a campaign issue) Johnson caved.

On 1 - 3, I'm seeing a very liberal position from you. On #4, I'm seeing a typical right wing simplisticism and naivete, though we agree on health care for all.

 

There are many medical procedures that are legal elsewhere but not legal in the USA. This is the impetus for much of the medical tourism that exists.

Theoretically pondering this reality, putting restrictions on timeframes for abortion would be just another example of such. Why do you think it is OK to regulate other medical procedures but not abortion? Wouldnt they all require the same level of knowledge of medical records?

 

as long as the government continues to buy guns for its employees, there will be a steady supply of firearms that can be stolen "lost" or transferred by dishonest governmental employees.

 

A better example would be trying to end the abuse of hard narcotics the way some Asian nations have. Execution of dealers for example. it would require a complete removal of things like the fourth firth and sixth amendments as well.

 

1. If we look at how most school shooters obtain their gun, its through a legal process or easy access to one at home. A black market may still exist, but not many people are going to want to be in that market if a 5 year mandatory sentence for each fire arm is in place. Also, it would drive the price of the fire arm SKY HIGH , which i dont think the average nutjob mass shooter could afford.

2. Sure, someone could do that with a car. But the effectiveness is significantly less and can be addressed fairly simple with concrete post.

 

Our medical records are the business of the government when tax payers are propping and supporting the medical cost. Everyone knows that in a typical pregnancy, a baby will be produced after 8/9 months. That baby becomes an adult. It's not arbitrary to discuss the outcome of that baby. 3/4 months should be plenty of time, and an exception for health emergencies should be able to cover the rest. As I said, this would satisfy 90% of the population IMO.

 

Agreed its impossible to completely stop, but you have to disincentivize the want to come here. Lets start enforcing laws against those who hire illegal immigrants for cheap labor. lets stop giving them free housing, money, etc... Lets deport them when we catch them. Until we can feed, cloth, and support our own children, vets, homeless, etc... we should be doing everything we can to prevent illegal immigration here.

 

I'm not quite sure that's true with a mandatory 5 year sentence for being caught with one (in my hypothetical situation). How often do treasurary workers steal money from the printing press they work at?

 

I think a compromise could be allowing revolvers, but no semi auto pistols or rifles. Ban any type of long gun that allows the use of a magazine or drum style ammunition. Make the max capacity of any hunting rifle like 6, and they have to be loaded 1 at a time like a lever action.

 

Why would the effectiveness be significantly less? It seems like the bulk of the mass school shootings kill around 5 with a few notable exceptions that have went as high as 15 or so. Killing 5 with a car would not be all that difficult and 15 is certainly not out of the realm of possiblity. I wholly disagree that a vehicles effectiveness would be significantly less. I might even argue that it would be more, but Im certainly not going to cede that it would definitely be less.

The problem is the suicidal maniac wanting to go out in a blaze of glory, not their chosen method.

FWIW, Im not a gun nut in any way. I do not own one, and have no intention of getting one.

 

I think most places can put up some cheap structures that would make it really hard to use the car as a weapon for mass casualty, and often what happens when it starts is the car gets bogged down on bodies and structures and then a crowd pulls the driver out and beats the tar out of him lol. But I think if we can first address one issue, we could then turn to others like cars / knives/ etc.. and find practical solutions.

 

Wherever you put the structure, you can wait until people go just beyond the structure. Where there is a will, there is always a way. Hell you could drive over the fence and attack a football game if you chose to. Or the parking lot as school lets out. You cannot possibly protect every option with those impenetrable yellow poles.

On top of that, there arent enough people killed in school massacres to justify living in a police state or even having the entire student body passing through a metal detector daily. Far more people are killed on their way to school than at school. Rather than teaching their kids to shield themselves from gunfire, it is probably more effective to constantly stress to look both ways when crossing the street. The panic is misplaced. On a prioritized list of legitimate worries as a parent, school shootings is probably worry number 234,764.

Dont get me wrong, school shootings are always massive tragedies when they do occur, but in the big picture, they do not register a blip on the radar of people being killed in this country. We have far bigger fish to fry. It is important to keep this in its proper perspective.

 

Do you really believe that someone willing to risk the penalty for committing murder would not risk 5 years for possessing a gun? All this would do is feed killers with easy victims. It does not appear that this was thought through.

 

We don't have to repeal 2A. We just need to have presidents who will appoint justices that know how to correctly interpret the original intent and meaning of 2A instead of the current justices that only go by the NRA interpretation.

 

I don't think this really gets at the root cause. Are schools shootings really a consequence of legally available firearms? Haven't there been countries with readily available firearms that didn't have problems with school shottings? There's something sick in our culture. I do think education of people about how owning a gun is a net negative for safety would help some, but banning? Na. Criminals will still have weapons. Desperate and defiant people of all kinds will still get guns from criminals. Desperate people include school shooters.

Seems like a practical compromise. Not that I necessarily think it's ideal either, but it seems like a middle ground to strike.

Agree.

I don't think so. Immigrants tend to be younger and healthier. Getting them to not be a drain on the system is more about making sure taxes are paid by them. In that case, they would very much be a net benefit even for universal health insurance.

 

2, 3, 4 are very good, 1 needs to be worked on a lot.

I suggest a person can have 2 or 3 single shot pistols
and the round has a 50% chance of working. The
percussion part might or might not contain fulminate.

Dangerous enough to deter especially if there are
a number of potential victims but useless for a mass
shooting.

 

It all depends on the ease of getting caught.

 

Where do they get the gun? Where do they get the money for the gun? Do they cool down prior to obtaining it? Do they come to their senses before using it?

Most murders take place in a fit of anger, jealousy, etc... not having a fire arm laying around when said person snaps is the key here.

Also I don't think you are going to see a lot of fire arm dealers when they are facing a life sentence if caught.

 

Not only is that UN-Constitutional it's unnecessary.

I agree with this one, basically, but it won't happen with the current Supreme's

I would go farther, we have to start investing in American's again. American workers deserve a social safety net is Wall Street and the Banksters are going to continue to crash the economy with their insatiable greed.

These are two diffeent issues.

Investing in American's would be good for the nation and our economy.

Shutting down the boarder is something America has been unwilling to do long before I was born 73 years ago. IF, Congress were to try it, they would damage the economy far more than any savings they would realize.

 

tell me this-what is the penalty for armed robbery? forcible rape, murder? mass murder?
if the penalties for those crimes don't deter people then how is a five year sentence for merely owning a gun going to deter those who want to engage in serious felonies>

and if you want to put everyone in jail who merely owns a gun, how many of them might be willing to kill someone trying to arrest them?