Trump posts Stormy Daniels letter denying she had an affair with him.

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    State campaign finance laws do not apply to Federal elections.

    State law, in all but a handful of exceptions, is superseded by Federal law. Campaign contributions isn't one of those exceptions.

    Pages 4 and 5

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...0QFnoECBcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw33Qdn7wt7fWMsG5wQ0eqva
     
  2. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    That has nothing to do with the money being spent. That's about recording the expense.

    I have no doubt they know what the law says. That's what makes their conduct illegal: they are intentionally applying the law in an unlawful manner.
     
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    LiveUninhibited Well-Known Member

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    The case isn't reliant upon this being about campaign finance. It's listed as a potential crime, but it could be dropped and the case would still stand. Falsifying business records is a crime. Using crimes to influence elections, at any level, is a crime under New York State law. This defense was raised by the Trump Team, rejected by the judge, and the appeal of that ruling was dropped by the Trump Team, because they know it's not going to work.
     
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  4. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    Falsifying the business records (if they were even falsified) had nothing to do with the election.

    Making the hush money payment had to do with the election and that wasn't illegal.

    It was Michael Cohen that made the payment, with his own money, not Trump, nor was the payment made from Trump's business account.

    Are y'all starting to notice your stories keep changing? Everytime I shoot one down, you come up with something else.

    Why not just admit that none of you have the first ****ing clue what the charges are, nor how they're applied and that you'll go along with anything to get the Bad Orange Man, even if it's illegal.
     
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    And how did Trump “just find” this letter? I noticed certain people haven’t bothered to question whether or not the letter is even real. Seems certain folks just blindly believe it is. Hey…maybe it will turn out to be real. Let me repeat that…maybe it will turn out to be real. But in this day and age shouldn’t everything be questioned and not blindly believed? Hmmm I guess it all depends on a person’s political affiliation. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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  6. LiveUninhibited

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    If you read and comprehend my earlier link, you will understand the case. I know it's long, though. It has some legal jargon, but it's readable enough.

    Nothing has changed at all. Michael Cohen doing it for Trump doesn't let Trump off the hook.

    Given the timing of the payment, and the context of the Access Hollywood controversy, it is quite clear the purpose of the payment, and covering up that payment through illegal means, was for the purpose of protecting his election prospects.
     
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    I think we all knew the letter existed before though. Its relevance is equivalent to "she had denied the affair." We already knew that. And it doesn't matter for the case.
     
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    I read it. I found mistakes, too.

    They didn't use campaign funds.

    The payment wasn't illegal. The only possible crime was Cohen violating Federal campaign finance laws by surpassing the legal limit. Since Trump reimbursed him, I don't agree that Cohen broke that law.

    Funny how Cohen was never charged by the state. Huh?

    That's the hard part about lawfare: making it look legal.
     
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    Trump sure seemed surprise to suddenly find it. Just saying.
     
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    He's about to embark upon a trial that is not in his favor. He dredged up something that makes him look a little better to some. I do assume some people would have forgotten that Stormy has previously denied the affair. But in the courtroom it's irrelevant. Politically this letter can be a slight bonus for him I guess. Looks like she'll continue to deny the affair in the year 20011, lol.
     
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    This letter did not just appear out of nowhere. Its existence has been known and debated for a long time. Daniels herself admits she signed the letter.

    Stormy Daniels Said 2018 Letter Denying She Had Sex With Trump Is a 'Lie' - FactCheck.org
     
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  12. Steve N

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    The left sure covered up the dirty laptop secret and that was done on a large scale.
     
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    Trump did it, and we all know he did, including Trump supporters. The only real question is whether you care or not.
     
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    I sincerely do not know whether he did or did not. Nor do I care.
     
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    Did what?
     
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    Paying hush money to cover up dirt on a candidate isn't illegal. It happens all the time...lol
     
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    I dont know what you are referring to.

    What did he do that makes you say he seemed surprised?
     
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    Again, that is not the alleged crime at all. It is a red herring continuously peddled by right wingers in an attempt to give him political cover.
     
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    Then why do you keep bringing it up? You keep saying illegal means and bringing up the hush money. You don't even know why. Do you?
     
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    His post about how he “just found” it. How did he “just find” it?
     
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    The crime is falsification of business records, made a felony by doing so to help his election, against New York State law. It just so happens that the falsified records were related to the hush money payment, but the fact that it was a hush money payment is more just a detail that helps tie the fact that the business records were falsified to help with his election. Even an otherwise completely legal action, but covered up by illegal means to help an election, would not be okay.
     
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    Ahh.

    I dont know. The link I gave included the letter and it was from early March, so clearly he did not just find it. He was probably trying to make it sound urgent.
     
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    I don’t pay too much attention to Trump’s defenders on this site due to the fact that in the end, a Jury will decide.

    And as I stated in a previous post, whether this trial is politically motivated or not, Trump needs to be punished/put in his place.
     
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    I don't think that "relationship" or "affair" are terms that accurately describe what happened between them.

    So her denial is accurate.
     

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