Putting a face on systemic racism.

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What Researchers Discovered When They Sent 80,000 Fake Résumés to U.S. Jobs

    A group of economists recently performed an experiment on around 100 of the largest companies in the country, applying for jobs using made-up résumés with equivalent qualifications but different personal characteristics. They changed applicants’ names to suggest that they were white or Black, and male or female — Latisha or Amy, Lamar or Adam.

    On Monday, they released the names of the companies. On average, they found, employers contacted the presumed white applicants 9.5 percent more often than the presumed Black applicants.

    Yet this practice varied significantly by firm and industry. One-fifth of the companies — many of them retailers or car dealers — were responsible for nearly half of the gap in callbacks to white and Black applicants.

    Two companies favored white applicants over Black applicants significantly more than others. They were AutoNation, a used car retailer, which contacted presumed white applicants 43 percent more often, and Genuine Parts Company, which sells auto parts including under the NAPA brand, and called presumed white candidates 33 percent more often.

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    What Researchers Discovered When They Sent 80,000 Fake Résumés to U.S. Jobs
    Some companies discriminated against Black applicants much more than others, and H.R. practices made a big difference.
    [​IMG] www.nytimes.com

    It doesn't mean overt, extreme racism is rampant in America. It's existence is much more subtle and insidious than that. Some people may exhibit signs of racism subconsciously. Or not consider it to be racism at all.

    What is much more difficult to measure than the job discrimination this study reveals is the affect on blacks in America. To what extent has it caused the economic and educational disparities that exist given what some call systemic racism has been going on for centuries.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So let me get this straight
    When a white person isn't hired it means they didn't make the cut
    When a black person isn't hired, its SYSTEMIC RACISM?
    That is the biggest load of hot garbage I've heard all week.
    Keep up that race hustling there buddy! Good job!
     
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  3. Tipper101

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    You needed a study to prove individuals are capable of discrimination based on perceived traits? Welcome to human nature buddy, which planet have you been on till now?

    You should go out in public sometime and observe couples. The rate people get into relationships with the same race will no doubt blow your mind away.


    The reasons typically have less to do with racism as it does commonalities. People are drawn to shared traits and that has nothing to do with specifically thinking those traits are “superior” to others—merely that they indicate shared experiences which will increase the odds of getting along in whatever interaction they’re having.


    But I get it, you’re laying down the carpet for your overtly racist policies to “fix” the “problem”. What’s the final solution to the racist problem going to be this time? Hopefully it isn’t a special military operation to de-racist America…
     
  4. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    We all have favoritism, biases, or preferences. Some will call that racism, that's OK. Everyone on the PF looking to hire a personal secretary would probably hire the most attractive female. Did they discriminate against a Plain Jane, John Doe, or Shortie? I think short people and ugly people have a tougher row to hoe than most. We will always have preferences, tastes, likes and dislikes, so face the real world and grow a thick skin. Most people would probably pick steak over liver and that has nothing to do with color.
     
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    So Basically two use car dealers account for almost all the racial discrepancy? Odd. I wonder why that is? Are they racist or are they making assumptions about there customer base based on what they hear on the Alphabet soup media?
     
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    You know what studies you won't see OP posting? Ones with the hiring practices of BLACK hiring managers. Or if you really want to see what FAVORITISM looks like, go look up the stats for Asian-Indian hiring managers. Ready...........GO!!!!
     
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    Blacks as a group need to take a look at themselves and ask why this perception exists.
     
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    No single study demonstrates anything on its own, but the accumulation of evidence that proves systemic racism is undeniable.
     
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    First of all, I didn't know people's names had colors assigned to them. Nice job you racist economists.

    Second, when you send out 80k resumes, does anyone think the call backs would be evenly distributed?

    Third, how many companies contacted the people with the so called ethnic traits more often than the non ethnic traits? The story is behind a paywall, so I guess we'll never know. But what we do know is the woke companies and their DEI policies almost guarantee non whites take preference - yes, we KNOW that. I'll bet these economists were looking for a desired outcome and focused on the two companies that gave it to them.

    Fourth, does anyone remember this bit of systemic racism? Where were the economists back then?

    BLM Effect: 94% of New Jobs at S&P 100 Corporations Went to Non-Whites After Protests - Report

    White people were seemingly passed over for jobs following the civil unrest of 2020 as major corporations gave more than nine out of 10 available positions to non-white applicants, according to a new report.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...-non-whites-after-protests-report/ar-AA1hq1UN
     
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    It would never occur to me to do that. I prefer to hire the best possible candidate. Odd you think it’s normal behavior to hire based on looks.
     
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    It's NOT racism. It's Systemic Racism. Something more complex. And, for that reason, difficult to understand by many folk... especially on the right.

    Two hundred years of slavery followed by a century of Jim Crowe comes at a price. The reason is that black people have had less access to education than white people for so long. This translates into poverty, which in many cases means they must start earning an income earlier in their life which translates into even LESS access to education.. and on and on from generation to generation. The ONLY solution: give black people MORE access to education to compensate for all those years in which our system (thus the term "systemic") kept them away from improving their lives. If we do, at some point in the future the perception that they are less educated will disappear.

    That's the whole point behind systemic racism. We have improved. But we still have a long way to go. And by not understanding the above, the right has been the biggest obstacle to solving the problem.

    It's not a matter of being racist. It's a matter of not understanding what the problem is.
     
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    Yeah, systemic racism is a pathetic joke (because it doesn't exist)
    My ex is a hiring manager and she said her biggest struggle is to find qualified black applicants (which she is pressured by management to hire MORE of)
    She said it isn't that they are less qualified but since they are a smaller # of the population, its normal to have less qualified applicants then you would in say, a race that makes up almost 70% of the country?
    When libs race hustle they like to pretend math doesn't exist. Math crushes their FAKE claims of racism EVERY SINGLE TIME
    This is why its absolute crickets from the left in this thead
     
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    Normal is selfish behavior. We are born with it.
     
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    I would think you’d want to hire the most qualified candidate. After all isn’t that the argument against AA??? That we should only be hiring the most qualified candidates for a job? Hmmmm.
    And no, I’m not for AA. I’m 100% against it.
     
  15. Just A Man

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    My personal experience -- I managed over 100 people and had several supervisors reporting to me. I had 24 years in a supervisory role with the same company. I hired female, male, Blacks, Hispanics, South Americans, experienced, and non-experience, you name it. The people I interviewed were all good candidates because the HR dept did a good job screening applicants they sent me for interviews. How did my experience work out -- some males were exceptional, some females were exceptional, Hispanics were great, South American was good. Three three blacks I hired over time all were fired by me. One female for using drugs, one male for missing too much work, and one male for showing up for work inebriated with alcohol on his breath. I also worked as an equal with a black male who was a computer programmer and he was excellent. I like to say I didn't discriminate in hiring but the employee had better put on a good effort the first three months or they were gone.
     
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    Blacks have the same access to getting an education as whites, yellows and browns do, but for some reason they don't seem to put a priority on it. And making things worse, the left lowers the standards of what's considered to be educated in order to make lesser educated people feel like they are educated.

    Check this out, it's from UCLA.

    Study gives more proof that intelligence is largely inherited

    In a study published in the Journal of Neuroscience Feb. 18, UCLA neurology professor Paul Thompson and colleagues used a new type of brain-imaging scanner to show that intelligence is strongly influenced by the quality of the brain's axons, or wiring that sends signals throughout the brain. The faster the signaling, the faster the brain processes information. And since the integrity of the brain's wiring is influenced by genes, the genes we inherit play a far greater role in intelligence than was previously thought.

    https://www.uclahealth.org/news/study-gives-more-proof-that-intelligence-is-largely-inherited
     
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    It's her fault she was assaulted. Did you see what she was wearing!
     
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    The planet where some people deny the existence of pervasive, systemic racism.
     
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    And most importantly it appears non existent at least based on this study unless you're for some odd reason actually desirous of being a used car salesman there seems to be no racism to speak of.
     
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    Having a thick skin does nothing to remediate discriminatory hiring practices based on race.
     
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    Reminds of one of my favorite stories from back in the day. Ford hired this hippy looking dude to work on the line only to find that he only showed up for work 3 days a week. When asked why his response was. "Cause I can't make enough money to live on in two."
     
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    There are plenty of jobs where looks are important, like working at Hooters or being a model, but that's a story for another day.

    About 6 or 7 years ago I had an open position for a technician that I had to fill. I got a phone call from HR (not an email - but a phone call) and she gave me my diversity numbers, in other words she gave me a break down of the white, blacks, Asians, Latinos, men and women among my techs and supervisory staff. I only had one black tech who is a guy from Jamaica, no Asians, 3 women (1 tech, 1 warehouse person, and 1 supervisor) and from there most of my team was about 75% from Mexican heritage and the rest white. She asked me if I saw an imbalance among my team and then tried to steer me into becoming more balanced. After that call I called my director and told him about the conversation I had with HR. I first told him that the area I'm responsible is largely made up of Mexicans, some whites and a few Indians. I also told him the odds of finding a black woman looking to climb utility poles would be next to impossible. I finally said to him that my team and I can only interview the people sent to us by our recruiters. He knew what I was getting at and told me to hire the best person and he would have my back should HR not like the choice we made. As is typical for this area, we hired a Mexican, but that company is so woke that I felt the need to cover my bases because one bad tech can hurt my performance numbers which will ultimately hurt my director's performance numbers.

    That company is incredibly woke, you wouldn't believe the woke courses we had to take. An odd thing about that company is on at least 2 occasions we were sent emails stating how the company was ranked high by its LGB employees. Not once did I ever see an LGB check box on an application, and not once was I ever asked about my sexual preference. So I have no idea what employees they were talking to who gave them high marks.
     
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    You made this complicated! Just tell some of those whites and mexicans you'll throw them a little pay bump if they IDENTIFY as WOMEN OF COLOR
     
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    For F sakes…the job regarding looks that was brought up by JustAMan was for a secretary. Not a job at hooters. If you’re going to jump into a conversation at least have the decency to stick to what is being discussed
     
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    I saw that post but I was responding to you. Can't a guy mention something around here without people flipping out?
     

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