Putting a face on systemic racism.

That's probably who answered the LGBT whatever query.

 

LOL -- good one and has a ring of truth.
I once hired a hippy flower girl who came to work late one day. Because she didn't report to me the reason, I asked her why she was 4 minutes late for work. She said she didn't think it was a big deal. I explained to her our dept had 11 deadlines in one shift and I insisted everyone be on time. I then asked her how she would feel if she got a paycheck that was short $4. She said she wouldn't care, just guess someone was playing with her pay. Needless to say she didn't last long on the job.

 

I worked at a company where the CEO put out a memo to start looking for females and Blacks to hold supervisory positions. He also asked for a census report every six months to see what progress we were making. Later some Blacks got together and demanded the CEO promote a certain Black lady to the all-white board of directors. He refused and stated she was not qualified. You might say "the chicken came home to roost".

 

That's part of the study.

 

More like the planet where reiteration magically counts as rebuttal. But here on earth, it doesn’t.

 

Allow me to put a face on systemic racism

 

No they don't. The expense puts it further away from their reach than most white people.

Exactly! The FIRST priority for more of them is to get some food for their family. White people don't have to deal with the consequences blacks inherited generation after generation from the Jim Crowe era and all the way since slavery. So more white people have the luxury of placing education ahead in their list of priorities before not starving to death..

 

OK, what's the problem here?

 

Right, because the black culture is The United States is perfect. It's a standard we should all work to live up to.

 

You think most white people are rich? You do know there are more poor white people in The United States than poor blacks?

And white people can't qualify for affirmative action.

Jim Crowe is no excuse to be lazy and ignorant.

 

What a bunch of BS. I guess if a lie is repeated enough some people will believe it. If you want to go to college here in the USA you will find a way. College diplomas are not handed out like EBT cards. The four-letter word that will get you in college is --- w-o-r-k. Hard work -- just ask the Blacks that are in college.

 

You ever heard of a Pell grant? My son was a national merit scholar. There are a hundreds of scholarships availiable that almost no one ever applies for. But almost all of them require you to be a high school graduate. I was the first one in my family to obtain a college degree every flyer in the all black Tuskegee air men had a college degree. The majority of people black and white can't afford college today and only the elites can afford an Ivy education. My son being a national merit scholar got an invite from Columbia university, This would have been over 30 years ago it was 16k a semester his scholarship then would have covered less than ten percent of that at the time. Given that it takes five year to get a four year degree these days that's 160k total cost over five years to get a BS or a BA degree. And unless that degree is in engineering or the like you aren't paying that off anytime soon

 

Discrimination is a fact of life not just because of skin colour, but other perceptions including ethnicity, gender, gender preference, age, disability, body size, religion, on and on.

In the discussion about race, you Americans tend to often focus on one discrimination against black Americans.

So as a Canadian my impression is if someone points out its not specific to blacks ONLY they can be accused of being an anti black racist. It happens now in Canada because we imitate anything American in cultural context.

This is why for example when blacks as well as others point out that sometimes the discussion on racism against blacks goes too far and discriminates against others who are not black, misunderstandings arise.

I get the phrase "black lives matter" but that term was perceived by many including some blacks to mean "only black lives matter". The ONLY perception came about because of the comments of specific NOT all self appointed black lives matter leaders using contextual references excluding the other targets of racism.

For me and many others of every category including blacks, we might argue racism is not limited to one named group imposing it on only another named group, i.e., white on black. It depends on who discriminates against who we would argue.

I personally find the terms "white" and "black" ridiculous. For me those are subjective labels which are precisely what causes the issue-they lump people into artificial categories to simplify who is discriminated against and why.

Many people we call black are as much white as they are black or are as much "yellow" as they are black, etc. We always called Obama black when he is just as much white. Why?

Why do we still use such colour words? Science has taught us race is a ridiculous concept as skin colour like nose, eye, lip structure or hair texture are secondary genetic characteristics that are quite meaningless other than they serve as subjective perception categories conforming to what people's appearances we are used to and not used to.

Why is it for example if you have never seen a black person they can look so different but if you live in a majority black neighbourhood after awhile you see distinct differences in physical appearance between blacks. Try it. Find identical twins. At first they look identical. After you know them awhile they do not look the same at all.

That proves appearance is subjective and an illusion and science has taught us, dna, genetic inheritance, hormones, chromosomes, blood type, body type, tell us more about the similarity between two people than skin tone. You can have to black people have less in common than tone of those black people and some very pale white guy.

Me as a Jew I find any reference to race problematic. As a Jew have been referred to as a race, religion, culture, nationality, Zionist ideology, usually in n ignorant and hateful way or in absurd generalities to assume my intelligence level, what I should look like (funny your don't look Jewish) or that I am cheap, wealthy, inbred, klanish, hate Muslims and Arabs, am a criminal and run Hollywood, the illuminati, have sex with Piff Diddy, own all the banks,control the White House, media, porno industry, financed all wars, and I practice dentistry and comedy and use gay Jews to control Broadway and the fashion industry.

Thanks but I pass. I am not white.

My Jewish identity does not make me white. Its like others are gay. Its the best analogy I can use. I am Jewish as gays are fay. We are born into it and its a collective identity that as its no. 1 unifying collective characteristic of each of our collectives is a shared sense of being targeted for hatred.

This is why if you compare we Jews as a collective to gays as their collective, because we have both been constant targets of revulsion, our music, our art, our sense of humour is dry and sardonic and full of irony.

So calling a gay white or me a Je white is weird and absurd to us.

Also I think assuming white brings inherent privilege is as misleading as assuming black brings inherent lack of privilege. To me those are assumptions and self defeating prophecies.

I wasn't born because of my red hair and freckles and pale skin to be privileged just like my being Jewish didn't make me less or more privileged although it did expose me to a specific kind of hatred. If I bought into it as making me oppressed that would be self defeating. I am no one's victim.

The division in the US over skin colour is very much tied into your melting pot and history of slavery. I get that. I stay out of it as you Americans struggle with it and the hateful divisionary language of Trump.

In Canada the whole stinking lot of us are minorities except the indigenous peoples and our split was Eng lish v.s. French not white v.s. black.

 

Lol, there won't be a study on that!

 

Yeah. It sucks to be black. What else is new?

 

After reading the posts on this thread, I could have predicted the outcome. Defensiveness and denial. Some seem to think that if they admit to the existence of racism on a systemic level, they are somehow admitting guilt. That's nonsense, but it's the typical emotional response to reports of racial bias, conscious or unconscious. It's difficult to be objective.

 

I was in the Navy with a shipmate who had completed 3 years of nuclear engineering in college. He couldn't afford to continue college. He said his last week of college he had only 25 cents to spend for food, so he bought 25 cents worth of oranges. Then he left college and join the Navy for a 4-year hitch. During those 4 years he saved his money and after his discharge he was able to return to college, pay his tuition, and graduate.
As my dear old dad used to say, "You can do anything you want to".

 

No one is being defensive people are telling you why it is BS almost all of the racism comes from two used car outlets.

 

When was the study conducted? where can we look at all of the data collected.

 

Of course there is systemic racism. The system was built by Whites for Whites. Blacks just can't hack it in a White system.

What is there to feel guilty about?

 

You reminded me of a unconscious bias course I had to take. In it there's a large black guy named Malcom and he feels that most white people see large black men as being angry and goes on to explain how whites are biased against large black men. When I had to write my thoughts about the subject I asked about Malcom's bias towards white people. I thought that was going to be the last day I worked there, but it wasn't.

 

I still want to know how many companies preferred black candidates over white ones.

 

I see it the way I see it. People have been the same on this issue for as long as I can remember, and that's a long damn time.

 

Being racist.

I've always thought that some prejudice in favor of our own "tribe" is natural, and fear of the those that are "other" is natural. But as intelligent, civilized beings (at least, I like to think we are) we should be able to govern the worst of our primitive responses towards each other. When we can't, denial seems much safer than to admit that we've shown a little hatred for no good reason, or simply chose to say nothing when we saw it in others.

It isn't a criticism, just an observation.

 

Sorry, you'll need to clarify that. In what way did Malcom show "bias towards white people"? Did you mean "bias against white people"?