Israeli plan to ethnically cleanse Gaza

That's absolutely silly.

Israel's humanitarian atrocities and theft of land in West Bank proves that the nonviolent approach of President Abbas did nothing but present his people with the evil of Israel.

Not even the USA respected the direction of nonviolent negotiation, instead working to ensure Israel is free to carry out the ethnic cleansing of West Bank.2.

Now YOU come along and suggest that ending the defense of Gaza would be a positive direction for Gaza!!! Israel's plan for post war Gaza is for Israel to own that land. And, as pointed out, we know what that means.

 

The solution in Gaza is to stop starving the population to death and stop dropping the civilian population with 2000 pound bombs from America.

Israel has waged devastating war on Gaza for decades, destroying their economy, denying them fishing in their own waters, blocking exports, denying anything more than a trickle of medical supplies.

It's long since time to stop that. There are no people on Earth who wouldn't fight back against the crushing war Israel has been waging.

Why is the USA enabling Israel to bomb civilians and deny them food and water until they starve to death?

What happen to us that we would PROMOTE such atrocity?

 

There has been NO action that could REMOTELY suggest that Hamas, Hezbollah, or any other such group could do what you claim is their objective.

Gaza can't get FOOD AND WATER to save it's people. In West Bank, President Abbas has spent decades working toward negotiated resolution ending with Israel and Palestine living adjacently in peace - even as Israel carries out humanitarian atrocities in his land.

You've shown no providence for this document of yours. More importantly, there is NO EVIDENCE that it has any relevance to what has transpired over the last DECADES.

You have to remember that in YOUR world, you see it as legitimate to carry out genocide against an entire people because of a terrorist attack during a war that Israel has been actively carrying out for decades. The number who have died due to Israel's decades of war against Gaza puts October 7 to shame. And, the lies from Israel, since disproven, should be profoundly embarrassing to you.

Also, the idea that one suicide bomber gives Israel the right to deny all negotiations with West Bank and carrying out ethnic cleansing there is just plain ridiculous.

Remember that President Abbas was FOCUSED on non violent negotiated settlements for decades. And, that was during periods when Israel didn't just carry out one attack - Israel was bulldozing the homes of the President's people and stealing their property, agriculture, water while they shoot the president's people as they drive on the roads.

 

Iran has launched over 100 drones at Israel; IDF working to intercept them en route

'Unconfirmed reports say cruise missiles also fired * IDF spokesman says defenses strong * Israel restricts gatherings, cancels educational activities * Biden scraps weekend break'



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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-april-13-2024/

 

In my universe when terrorist organization writes in its chapter it wants to destroy Israel and to create a Muslim Caliphate – we believe them.

In my universe if terrorist organization attacks Israel, murders, rapes and kidnaps civilians, we believe they did it according to what they promised to do in their chapter.

In my universe if Palestinians attack civilian Israelis, this is the same crime as if Israelis attack civilian Palestinians.

In my universe you and me are just simple people who can quote as evidence max Wikipedia or newspapers, in your universe no evidence is necessary, people should trust leaders without any evidence.

If you are happy in your universe – don’t read, don’t investigate, don’t think – it can prevent your happiness.

 

Once again, you produced a document of unknown providence. And, you claim that the document you found governs the actions of Palestine. But, you have no evidence of that.

Your belief simply makes NO SENSE. Neither Gaza nor West Bank have made a move that could POSSIBLY be construed as an existential threat to Israel. The USA has given constant promises of help and defense that have included huge and continuing supplies of munitions to be used against the suffering farmers of Gaza and West Bank for the purpose of stealing land from West Bank residents. The US has vetoed moves by the various branches of the UN who favor moving beyond Israel's wars.

Yet, somehow Israel still wants to slaughter civilians and steal what they own. Somehow you see it as justified to search out and incinerate the children and grandchildren of leaders of Gaza's defense!!`

It is Israel alone who has been waging continuous war - war against both Gaza and West Bank. It is Israel who has consistently refused to negotiate - from decades ago to today. It is Israel that has spit in the face of President Abbas who has consistently worked for nonviolent solutions leading to a two state solution.

You need to check in with the actual universe rather than cloistering yourself in some other universe.

 

Again, I think the Hamastinians, after all of the good things Israel has done, all the rebuked good faith offers and actions (ie withdrawing from Gaza in 2005, rejected 2 state sollutions) just to have them be cruel to the Israelis in response to their kind efforts? I think they're done here. All that is left is annexation (and renaming of Gaza?) and the dispersion of the Hamastinians to the 40 some odd Muslim majority nations where they will assimilate and have good lives. I wish them well in their new homelands.

 

Israel has been waging war on Gaza continuously for decades.

The results have been horrific - throughout the decades BEFORE Oct 7.

And, we see Israel in action in West Bank.

Your views are very clearly ridiculous.

 

So, they didn't end the occupation of Gaza in 2005? Two state solutions weren't constantly offered and rebuffed? You have an interesting grip of history.

Were it up to me? Were I a Gazan Muslim realizing I can't defeat Israel, that people are complaining about how lopsided the conflict even is and they offered a 2 State peace? I'd have grabbed it with both hands, not withstanding some very minor quibbles. In reality? Peace offer after peace offer has been spit back in Israel's face. So now? I think they're doing as they've been forced to do for their very survival.

 

No, the escape from Gaza in 2005 was certainly NOT a peace offering. There was NO negotiation or understanding reached. There is no doubt that Arafat choked when he could have made a difference. But, you "peace offer after peace offer" is just flat out false.

And even if it were true, it doesn't justify anything that has happened since, including Israel's genocide in Gaza and its arming of West Bank Israelis living on stolen land, so they can shoot unarmed Palestinians driving in their cars or bicycles. These "settlers" attempt to burn the homes of Palestinians and then attack them as they attempt to put out the fires.


Today, it's certainly lopsided for civilians, their children, aid workers, doctors, the press, and others Israel slaughters.

It's certainly dangerous for the children and grandchildren of the leaders - as if the children of leaders are legitimate war targets.

But, the IDF is falling victim to the various defense militias who pick them off and blow up their tanks.

These fighters take videos of their work. The lies from Israel can't counter the vivid evidence from the ground.

 

Arabs are second class citizens inside Israel and they are considered non-human in the Palestinian territories illegally occupied by the IDF.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...m-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

"Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity

"Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report.

"The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has control over their rights.

"This includes Palestinians living in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), as well as displaced refugees in other countries."

 

“The government you elect is the government you deserve.”
― Thomas Jefferson

 

Then stop whining about casualties the Palestinians could bring to an end at any time.

 

has nothing to do with present company friend --- The 10,000 babies exterminated did not elect anyone.... . and Jews voted in the German Elections.

Called "War Crime" Jack .. Holocaust ... taking the good Lord Jefferson's name in vein .. an anathema to the founding principle .. true hatred of American Values .. things Bibi and Genocide Joe have in common..

 

LOLOLOLO .. Thanks for the good laugh Jack --- what was even better was Cheer Team D giving you props .. Brown Shirts got nothing on Bibi and Genocide Joe.

How the Pals gonna bring an end ? Jump into the Sea .. Ha ha ha ha .. Happy Sunday Jack .. see you missed Church this morning.

 

Why do you repeatedly refer to Joe Biden as "Genocide Joe"? I can't stand Biden but I can't think of anything he has done or failed to do that indicates any support for "genocide"

 

Cum on D .. don't you know your History ? .. Think Last decade -- hand in hand With Brother El Saud .. and the radical Islamist Salafi spawn of El Sauds.
500,000 civilians Dead Dayton .. you miss the historical memo ? make Brown Shirt Bibi look like a lightweight.

 

I get your response. I would agree that the moment Hamas did what it did on Oct. 7 no one could win. All it did was condemn both those hostages and Gaza civilian shields to death.

There is no winner in any war just degrees of loss and blood spilled on both sides. On that basic level I would agree. I do not think any Israeli will rejoice when this latest cycle comes to some kind of stop. Israelis know better. For them it will just be another temporary phase until the attacks start again. The existential battle is never over. All we Jews have learned that.

My gloominess is that I see the UN now as an enabler of Hamas.

I do though hope progressive Palestinians who had to flee the West Bank and Gaza can find a way to come back and build their nation and replace the terrorists who have hijacked their fellow citizens.

I will never give up hope. It is what Hamas wants. Phack them. When this horrible terror happens as improbable as it may sound we have to find a way to get Israelis and Palestinians to reach out to one another not allow terrorists to keep them divided.

How that is done is painful. It must happen in very small actions of recovery and healing through mutual rebuild projects after a period of distancing. Right now the peaceful leaders of West Bank and Gaza were forced to flee to the West. They might not want to return. I know some. They are afraid of their own people in Toronto where I live and backlash from non Palestinians,

For that matter may I say this. Now Iran has done what it has done many think Iranians hate Jews and vice versa. No. No and no. Persians do not hate us. It may be there are extremist Shiites in Iran that hate Israel and Jews, but many Iranians live in fear of such people and do NOT hate us and I do not hate them,

I hate terrorists and extremists who use their religion to justify terror and war but I do not mistake it as the common person who wants compassion, humanitarian treatment and the same choices we take for granted in Canada and the US too many times.

Peace.

 

There has been no possibility of that for decades.

You're missing that West Bank under President Abbas has stood for peaceful negotiated resolution. The result has been decades of humanitarian atrocity by Israel, with these "settlers" in increasing raids against Palestinian citizens.

Why would it be any different in Gaza?

What has been the outcome of periods when Gaza has not fought back?

Your whole premise is pure nonsense.

 

Oct 7 was a horror - not as bad as everyday live in Gaza, but a horror none the less.

One thing it did was to raise awareness of the issue of Gaza, which the world community had chosen to ignore for years.

The UN and its various arms have done nothing to favor Hamas. Calling for an end to the genocide of the people of Gaza, to end the use of starvation , etc. is not a favor to Hamas. It is a call for an end to an atrocity of unimaginable proportions.

Hamas has proposed resolution to this war that has continued for several decades. It proposes a step wise process that includes returning hostages, etc.

It is Israel who has flatly refused. Their idea is a short ceasefire, return of all hostages, and then Israel will continue its wholesale slaughter and starvation.

The reason there is no ceasefire is that Israel's genocide is not yet complete.


I don't believe there is a justification for seeing this war as a conflict between religions.

President Abbas has been fully ready to live in peace beside Israel. He has cooperated with the IDF to reduce violence - something that has caused the IDF to allow West Bank forces to have appropriate weapons for that purpose.

Yet, Israel and the USA have been totally uninterested in negotiated resolution. So suggesting that Gaza should take that route of proven failure is pure sophistry.

There are NO PEOPLE ON EARTH that would live in peace under the siege Israel has imposed for 20 years - a continues war aimed at maximizing the suffering of the population. The horrors of that siege are well documented and have left every Gazan citizen in desperate poverty and food shortage, with no future throughout those decades. There has been no willingness by Israel to negotiate resolution. There has been no help from the world community, as the USA has done no more than donate munitions to be used to slaughter Palestinians.

 

What are you babbling about FF.?

 

Who's babbling ? -- you come in claiming to be History teacher .. US History expert .. but say you never heard of war in Syria .. despite being told numerous times about Genocide Joe's ... Saudi inspired Salafi Islamist Extremist JV-Team ..

Never heard about the JV team D ? better get boning up on recent history .. that was just last decade..

 

The claims of someone such as you that hates the United States) doesn't make it true. Links to sites with information too certain to be argued about is required.

And I've followed Middleastern strife 1979 and I can say with perfect honesty that Syria has been conflict ridden since the late 1980s at least

 

What is this blistering projectile name-calling nonsense D ? Why are trying to put your hatred of the USA .. our principles and Ideals onto me ? I am not the one who hates the founding principle .. the Constitutional Republic .. and the teachings of Jesus. Embracing the woke progressive cancel crew agenda is not my bag friend ... apologizing for Genocide Joe now .. his support for Al Qaeda - ISIS -- hand in hand with Brother El Saud.

Here is your link mate -- Are you going to claim the folks over at "The American Conservative" hate the USA .. as all I did was tell you what they say.

How America Armed Terrorists in Syria
How America Armed Terrorists in Syria - The American Conservative

Think your 21st century US history is a little rusty there mate.. and forgot which side you are on .. ISIL and the true Blue Cancel Crew is not where they USA lovers hang out

 

Take off your blinders:

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/oper...5&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation

"Casualties

• "33,686 + killed* and at least 76,309 wounded in the Gaza Strip.
• 462+ Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.**
• Israel revises its estimated October 7 death toll down from 1,400 to 1,139.
• 604 Israeli soldiers have been killed since October 7, and at least 6,800 injured.***"

Jews are committing genocide in Gaza, and Genocide Joe is happy to supply the weapons.