Trump now running on defending Obamacare and opposing an abortion ban...

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Isolationism is a bad policy.
    He obstructed no globalism. The world still trades to this day and always will.

    He just pissed off allies at our expense.
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah... looks like he believes stopping the hemorrhage of women voters is more important than his "Christian principles". He thinks that by changing positions ad-hoc he can win back some of those women, and that fundamentalist Christians will simply fall in line. I wonder if the opposite might be true. But no... MAGA Christians have demonstrated that they also have very little entrenchment in the beliefs they advertise.
     
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    There's no market force that has ever acted mutually and peacefully.
    Humans run the show.
     
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    He is a textbook populist, meaning he will support or oppose purely based on what happens to be popular at any given time. If gun banning becomes popular while he is in office we can kiss out guns good bye, because he'll ban them in a heart beat.

    Yes. Flip flopping on major issues like abortion and ACA means he has no principles.
     
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    They don't understand anything about trump or his flip flop lying ways.

    He doesn't like abortion, gays or trans. That's all that matters. At least until recently.
     
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    It's actually not a business of any gov't.
    It's a choice by the parties involved. Typically the woman and her doctor(s).

    On the ACA, it was the 2016 platform to repeal and replace.
    Although, no plan was ever crafted.
    And the ACA is based on some old Republican plan.
     
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    So there you have it. Biden has no reason to confiscate guns. You just gave one why Trump might.

    But YOU just said you don't care about his principles.

    If he's elected, and after his second term is over, can you think of any way he can stay out of prison other than perpetuating himself in power? If he believes armed people are a threat to this plans... well... disarming them will definitely be a high priority.

    This is what you get when you elect somebody with NO principles.
     
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    I bet more Xtians would vote for him under his old views than new women voting for him under his new views.

    He is drifting away from the base of his. That's the bulk of his voting block.
     
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    He doesn't even have to think gun banning is popular. All he needs is to believe that guns in the hands of people are a threat to him. Pro-gun folk who believe this might want to take this into account when they consider who to vote for.
     
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    It doesn't bother you, either.

    Back to abortion. You claim that Trump has no position, yet he's articulated a perfectly reasonable constitutional position and encouraged the States to adopt policy that likely 2/3rds of the American People agree with.

    But you, on the other hand, just refused to even state that you oppose partial birth abortion. Are you sure that you are the right person to claim that someone else has no reasonable position?
     
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    Yes that's one example from rather ancient history. Some more modern examples would be our policy of regime change in the ME and Ukraine, our support for economic colonialism in Africa and Southern Asia, propping up socialist military dictatorships in South America, our part in helping to endebt countries all over the world to a global centralized banking system, drawing arbitrary borders for Baltic nations that force culturally incompatible groups to share a national soverignty, surrounding Russia with more and more NATO countries to escalate tensions... all that kind of stuff.

    Did Trump engage in anything of that sort in his 4 years in office? You might be able to argue a bit of that was involved in his administration's Covid response, but if you do, also keep in mind everything he did as a response to covid was a reserved and watered down version of what the 'anti-vaxxers should be locked into their homes' crowd were demanding he do, and that was not his political base...
     
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    It's kinda disappointing, in a weird way. I had believed for all my life that Evangelical Christians had principles. Some of which I profoundly opposed, but they WERE religious principles. Now we know their allegiance to deities has shifted.
     
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    Do you support partial birth abortion?
     
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    It also puts on full display that for The Following, reality is what His Orangeness says it is.
     
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    Trump is a political chameleon. He changes policy positions depending on which way the wind helping him to get elected is blowing.
     
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    Not sure howya figure that... examples of globalization (natural market forces incentivizing closer and more peaceful cooperation between nations) are everywhere. Just as one example- walk into any liquor store and you'll see alcohol from literally every corner of the world. No conflict was necessary to make that happen. Consumers want more variety and producers want their cash, regardless of their ethnicity, their politics or which side of a border they live on.
     
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    Neither Biden nor Trump would be able to 'confiscate guns.' Thats 'How To Start a Civil War - 101.' Biden is heavily invested in banning 'assault rifles', the most preferred weapon (pistols being a close second) in resisting military dictatorships. Trump banned 'bump stocks' which are little more than a gimmicky toy, are not reliable enough for combat, and he only banned it as a concession or a ploy to trick Feinstein&CO into putting all their cards on the table, which was essentially 'ban everything except shotguns and revolvers' which immediately fell flat on its face and died once people saw it.

    If Trump signs an AWB, I'll hate him as much as you do. But there is precisely zero reason to suspect that he's a gunbanner in disguise. And a military dictatorship isn't something thats going to last very long in a country with 100 Million armed citizens holding a Billion firearms and 10 Billion rounds of ammunition. "There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass." I would suggest you worry more about the economy. If anything is going to be used to oppress us, it will be poverty, not soldiers.
     
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    It appears you're conflating globalism with globalization.

    Globalization is a natural occurance. Humans, via technological and sociological developement increasingly share resources, technology and culture across borders as a result of trade for increased efficiency.

    Globalism is the unnatural acceleration of cultural exchange and the coercive allocation of resources across borders for the purposes of economic domination and cultural manipulation usually resulting in conflict.

    That is the 'nuance' you're missing.

    Globalization occurs according to market forces. Its peaceful and mutually beneficial.

    Globalism occurs according to political forces. Its extortionary, manipulative and tends to benefit only the elite.
     
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    Trump's flaws far outweigh his strengths. Where this comes through in loud colors is Bob Woodward's books, there are three of them. The Trump tapes are the most revealing, and if you can't see it after listening to them, that Trump is wholly unfit for the office, there's not much else I can do. Besides, his second term, if he wins, will be much worse than the first. His first term there were plenty of 'adults in the room' who would put truth to power and talk him out of his crazy ideas (like 'why can't we shoot protesters', or 'if we have nukes, why can't we used them' and questions that no intelligent right thinking president would ever think of). He will be extra careful in the new term to put only loyal sycophants in office, all throughout the government, and the guardrails against his worst instincts would be removed, and for me, that's scary. In his tenure, he gutted the state department, half of the world's ambassadorships were not filled. Think of the gov as a huge airliner, and that would be like flying without an instrument panel. You really need to rethink your vote for this guy.
     
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    He has used policies largely liberal and largely conservative both. I believe he aligns closer to liberals. Wanted to pull out of Afghanistan, wanted to lower the troop count in Germany, largely a non interventionist, pro gun control, for abortion, obviously okay with sex work, free handouts during COVID, endorsed a government forced shutdown during COVID, allowed for free rent during COVID.

    really Trump is t as far left as Biden but he’s definitely left in my opinion.
     
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    And yet, through all that, the US was in much better shape during Trump's presidency than during Biden's presidency.
     
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    Um....yes. He bombed Syria and Iraq, and assassinated an Iranian leader, and Abu Bagdadi, and helped Saudis wage religious war in Yemen. He also stirred the Arab-Israeli pot by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem (for no gain).

    I have no clue what you mean by "economic colonialism in Africa and Southern Asia, propping up socialist military dictatorships in South America"

    Yep.
     
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    What's your position on banning partial birth abortion. I know Trump's, what's yours?
     
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    Biden knows that trying would be a dumb thing to do. Trump doesn't. Your choice if you trust somebody without principles who has nothing to lose because, if he doesn't succeed, he's going to prison anyway.
     
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    He doesn't seem to have policies, only what benefits him personally. Since you're the one claiming he's a liberal, why don't you name his policies that are liberal?
     

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