Putting a face on systemic racism.

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  1. Cybred

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    I don't know if your aware of this but other people are not clones of you.
     
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    You do realize there is a reason he didn't provide a link to the story. We don't even know when the study was conducted.
     
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    Funny my experience is exactly the opposite.
     
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    Nor are they clones of you.
     
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    Maybe you're right. But I can't think of a single system where Blacks are denied or can't hack it.
     
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    Putting a face on systemic racism.

    Systems don't have faces. People do. Racism isn't a systemic thing. Systems don't engage in it. Racism is a personal thing. People engage in it. Systemic racism is a made up term with no meaning.
     
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    Yes. Two ways of saying the same thing.
     
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    So why don't they? Why, in your world, do proportionately less black people make it through college than white people if, as you claim, they have the same access to education.

    Say it! I already gave you the CORRECT answer. But if you don't agree. So let's hear yours.

    Correct. But much HARDER work than white people. That's my point.
     
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    Yep! You can't go to college if you had to drop out of High School because you had to get a job to keep your family from starving. This is more often seen in families who have inherited poverty generation after generation because of slavery and Jim Crowe.
     
  10. Steve N

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    You're right, Malcom was biased against white people
     
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    Blacks aren't as smart as Whotes
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Systemic describes what relates to or affects an entire system. For example, a systemic disease affects the entire body or organism, and systemic changes to an organization have an impact on the entire organization, including its most basic operations.
     
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    They're certainly smarter than you.
     
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    I understand the term and, as I suggested, it doesn't apply to racism. Systems don't support racism for the most part and racism doesn't affect them either. It affects those against whom the racism is directed. It is personal. I'm not supporting racism. I'm just not buying the opinion that it is systemic.l I think it was systemic prior to passage of the civil rights act but not any longer.
     
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    This is a weird statement. What do you think is meant by "systemic racism"? Could you define it in you own words?
     
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    No it is more often shown in families in which the father is absent from the family via long term government intervention and the schools teach them useless garbage like CRT and Tommy can be judy if he just believes hard enough and can force enough other people to agree. My daughter is high school drop out. Never has a year of college makes about 60k a year as a service writer for Porsche, her husband is a Latino maintenance tech for a Mercedes Benz dealership makes just slightly less.
     
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    In what way? How did he express bias? By reporting on his treatment by whites? Is that bias, or simply facts?

    I disagree with you 100% on this issue. We may not recognize it because we aren't on the receiving end, but racism is entrenched in our society. Perhaps we just don't spend enough time talking to those who are "not us."

    Like I said earlier here, it isn't a criticism, just an observation based on most of a lifetime spent among people of many other cultures.
     
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    He expressed his bias (the proper word would actually be stereotype) when he said white people consider large black men to be angry. He didn't say one white person he met on the street, in fact, he didn't even bother to say 'people who aren't black' consider large black people to be angry. He said white people.

    In the same unconscious bias course, an American goes to work in England, a coworker sees his wedding ring and asks the guy how his wife likes London. Of course the guy is offended because he gay the his coworker should not have assumed he was straight.
     
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    Never met a black smarter than me.
     
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    That doesn't explain why the Blacks who do go to college are at the bottom of the class.
     
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    During this discussion there are occasional references to 'Asians'.
    Do people know how vast and diverse Asia actually is, and that there are significant distinctions between different parts of that continent?
    I think one contributor has actually said 'Indian', but overall the ignorance regarding other places exists markedly.
    It is the same when people think the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is 'England', or think Europe, and Africa are 'countries'.
    Get those atlases out and learn about what is out there, in relative terms America is dwarfed by the rest of the world.
     
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    Not being American, it's understandable that you would make this error, but in the American context, "Asian" refers to East Asian peoples. I realize it's a bit different in the UK, but we did have a more precise term at one time: Oriental. For reasons I'm not clear on, that word is now considered offensive so "Orientals" are called "Asian."

    Hope that clears up any confusion.
     
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    Has anyone posted that senators face that voted against segregated busing to public schools stating that he didn't want his children growing up in a racial jungle?

    There's your actual systemic racism.... A United States senator fighting against segregation
     
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    So Turkey, or India, or Javanese, or Iranian, or Mongolian and so on are linguistically all one homogenous collective in the American mind?
    If that really is the case, it is easy to understand why so many Americans are viewed with such distain by many peoples in the rest of the world.
     
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    It's not that they're "one homogenous collective," it's just that the term "Asian" has been preempted for woke reasons. As far as the world viewing the US with disdain...not nearly enough. We can't keep these people from trying to get into our country, no matter how much they hate it.
     
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