Is this the 1st administration in history to be OK with chants of "DEATH TO AMERICA"?

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  1. Tipper101

    Tipper101 Well-Known Member

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    When all else fails just go for blanket denial through reiteration I see? About as non compelling as all your other posts.

    Again, go out there and chant “death to Biden”. You’ll find you get a much different reaction than if you just said “Biden needs to die” in an online forum. Or chant “Death to the Democratic Party”, see what happens to you.

    You need to learn how to recognize what a call to action is. Chanting “death to America”, “death to Biden” or “death to the Democratic Party” is not simply an expression that they need to die of which many peaceful and acceptable means are what’s being meant. It can only be interpreted as a specific call to action of which only violence and force is conceivable.

    There is nobody who chants such phrases like “Death to Biden” and means “by old age”. “Death to America…through voting”. Lol. Stop making me laugh.

    And the incitement this type of rhetoric results in is well documented all over the world. Why? Because it’s a call to action. Ya gotta learn to recognize the obvious bro
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Bro. It takes seconds to find firing range targets of Biden, Clinton, Obama, etc. I'm sorry you hate the 1st Amendment so much, but it remains in place. There is no "Ya gotta learn to recognize the obvious bro" standard in the law.
     
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    can’t help but notice you aren’t out there chanting any of that. Missing your golden opportunity to prove your point. Instead you’re just making picture comparisons. Lol. And I can reference tons of examples of death threats being prosecuted all over the land.

    Pictures are indeed a touchy subject since nothing is being said, much tougher to convict.

    Actually making a death threat by saying “death to you”? Fergettabout it bro
     
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    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry that you can't conceive of someone supporting the right of someone to say something without wanting to say that same thing themselves. Most adults understand this.
     
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    Common bro, it’s for science.
     
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    Outlawing the 1st Amendment is for science? How so?
     
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    you just said you didn’t want to go outside to chant all that cause you didn’t feel like it, to which I told you to common man, it’s for science. No mention of outlawing anything.

    Reading isn’t that hard, unless you meant to swing and miss wildly. Did you? You are pretty desperate huh?
     
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    You are suggesting that you want to outlaw anything that you wouldn't want to say yourself. That's insane.
     
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    No, I’m saying if it meets the threshold of existing laws on what isn’t protected speech, it should be enforced. The 1st is, literally, untouched. Why? Because it didn’t even apply.

    What you’re arguing for is changing existing law to protect death threats to the entire country and government of the USA just because you like the chanters a lot. That’s insane
     
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    Ok with? Lefties are leading the chant!
     
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    What law does simply saying the words "Death to America" break?
     
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    Ground already covered buddy, in fact I posted it twice because that’s just how bad you are at reading. So if your memory is as bad as your reading is then simply go back and read as many times as you need to figure it all out, but asking me to stop treating you like an adult and keep on repeating myself? I just can’t do that because I respect you too much
     
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    I've read it. It doesn't say what you claim it does. There has to actually be some kind of incitement toward violence. "Death to America" is too broad for that. I'll wager that no one has ever been convicted under the law you cited for just saying "Death to America."
     
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    And yet you haven’t been able to explain what it could mean other than the forceful overthrow of the US government. Don’t tell me a broad term is too broad when only a specific definition can possibly apply.
     
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    Not my job. It's your job to explain that it is an explicit threat to do so. You have failed. Just like you have failed to find ANY instance ANYWHERE in US history where it has been interpreted as broadly as you propose.
     
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    Now imagine if it were MAGA folks chanting death to America. The Potato and his 3 letter agencies would be makin some mad hay with that, lol.
     
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    Reminds me of the sixties, hippies hated America, and looked for any reason to voice it loud and proud.
     
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    Ummm if “death to America” means forceful overthrow of its government then it clearly falls under the statute I cited. Your only hope is that it doesn’t mean that and you can’t explain how.

    Are you confused how “death to America” could mean overthrow of its government? If so, I don’t know how to dumb down my language any more. Help me out, is it a syllable thing? Should I use only 1-2 syllables? I think I can color my words in nice ways like crayon? What would help?
     
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    When has anyone ever been convicted under this statute for saying "death to America" or anything like it? I can write that question in crayon if you like, though I am colorblind, so I can't vouch for the aesthetics.
     
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    Why does that matter? Color your answer any way you want
     
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    I have no power to arrest anyone. It is up to law enforcement which is hampered by politics. Yes what they said is protected speech by the first amendment. However there can be consequences to what one says. Inciting illegal behavior is an example of speech with consequences. Slander is another. It isn't illegal to say anything. But all speech is not free of consequences. Even you should agree that "death to America" deserves some consequences.
     
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    Per the video, violence was not incited as a result of the idiot yelling "death to America". So what consequences do you want to see for this idiot expressing free speech?
     
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    Sorry, I have only seen you only on one side. When I see “the dog,” I know I’m headed for the woodshed.
     
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    None if he didn't cause any harm to anyone. What would make you think otherwise?
     
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    It's a hyperbolic call for the end of the government, yes. It isn't necessarily a call for doing so through violence.
     

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