Focus your anger.

Either they support Hamas or they fear them.

Palestinians all live in Israel. Palestine doesn't exist.

Hamas has a military equipped with rockets and other deadly weapons.

100% nonsense. You have been reading too much Palestinian propaganda.

Palestine doesn't exist. Gaza is part of Israel

The palestinians have been offered their own land several times and have refused it. Arafat won a Nobel prize for refusing it. They want all of Israel.

Would you want them to make New York a city state like the Vatican?

Correct. Such is the case. Israel's rock is solid.

 

Then Palestinians are Israelis and should be treated as equal citizens.

 

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The other propaganda aside, you do realize you are saying Israel practices apartheid? Palestinians have no vote in Israeli elections.

I have suggested in the past that another option would be for Israel to annex Palestine but not with much seriousness because then Muslims would outnumber Jews. Not going to happen.
Israeli security leaves Palestine
Fixed borders established
Jerusalem made a separate city state like the Vatican.

 

So, if they are equal citizens, how should the Israeli government deal with these openly rebellious folks? Should they, by right, be able to wage war on them given that the rebellious "equal citizens" have openly waged war against their "equal citizen "counterparts that they have fired weapons of war at, and committed war crimes against, and have raped and pillaged against?

 

FYI Israeli killing of children outnumbers the total Hamas killings 13-1. Kinda hard to say you are the good guy unfairly maligned when that number pops up.

 

But that is a claim that there are no innocents in Gaza.

 

One day you will understand that palestine doesn't exist. It is a geographic area that has been ruled by outsiders since time immemorial. It has never been governed by palestinians. The area became self ruled for the first time in 1948 when Israel was founded.

Apartheid is racial exclusion and that doesn't happen in Israel. Many Jews are Semites like the palestinians. About 25% of the Israeli population is muslim arabs. They are citizens and do vote in elections. The Gazans cannot vote in Israel because they are not citizens. Their choice, by the way. Israel cannot annex palestine because palestine doesn't exist. Keep working on it. The truth will finally reach you.

 

A curious situation. Some of the palestinians populated Gaza by choice since Israel made it available to them. They appear to support Hamas and, if so, then there aren't any innocent people in Gaza. Most likely there are palestinians that oppose Hamas and they are innocent despite being a part of a group that actually elected Hamas to power and now can't undo it.

Hamas started the war. The Palestinians have caused it to continue by failing to help the IDF clean up Hamas. It is tragic without a doubt. They are a people without a country and are unwilling to make the best of it. They are determined to rule Israel and the uphill climb to that goal is vertical.

 

They chose to abandon Israel and live in Gaza with self rule. But not all of them. Those that remained are citizens of Israel with voting rights. They make up about a quarter of the Israeli population. They are treated like the Jewish citizens and the Christian ones.

 

That’s funny. You don’t seem to have any trouble asking hypotheticals. Remember when you asked what I would do if I were in Israel’s shoes?

On what basis are you claiming that unarmed civilians are protecting armed terrorists? I have no doubt that Palestinians harbor more sympathy to Hamas terrorists than Israel, but that’s because they’ve been raised to think Israel is evil, and that’s been reinforced by decades do Israel’s iron grip control. I have no doubt on my mind that you, me or any other person in their situation would act similarly. So to sit in judgment of them and say they deserve to die is intellectually lazy. Band I know you’re not intellectually lazy. So it leads me to conclude that your opinions are driven by animus.

 

Do people in Palestine have the right to vote in Israeli elections. No? That's called apartheid.

 

There is a kind of sadness that I find that permeates the culture of those who are apologists for the actions of Hamas and all those who cheered for the attacks on Israel. it reminds me of the attacks on the twin towers when many Arabs were cheering in cities across America. How long before we have a Kristallnacht uprising in America? Many will say that these things cannot happen in America. Ask the Indian Tribes if it can happen. Ask the black people if it can happen. Ask the American Japanese people if it could happen. This country is not immune to violent racism. The one common denominator with all of the evils of the past was silence of the masses.

 

Which doesn't address, or answer the question. The question is pretty simple. Straightforward even. Can a legitimately elected democracy defend itself from a group of terrorists who create pain and misery everywhere they go? Are you suggesting that Israel doesn't get to defend themselves from these cretins? And who does Hammas kill when they fire rockets into the air?

It's kinda hard to suggest that the folks who chant from the river to the sea aren't the very definition of genocidal maniacs. And that you want to whitewash over that and push the narrative that somehow these are the aggrieved and victims is ridiculous.

 

Maybe some sort of police action? I don't know. The claim was that Gaza is Israel. If it is, then these people are Israelis. If some are criminals, then they can be arrested and given trials, etc, no? What justification would there be to bomb the whole area and wage war on the Israeli citizens in the area?

Collective punishment without trial is something I think Israel wouldn't do to Jewish Israeli citizens if a terrorist group formed, so why would it be ok to do to Palestinians?

 

The answer to that question is an absolute yes.
That's not the question though when it comes to the bombing and killing of Palestinians without trial, who aren't all Hamas, and who are Israeli citizens if Gaza is part of Israel.

Does that same paragraph apply to Nettenyahu and his party members when they say from the river to the sea? If it's horrible to speak against Israel's right to exist, isn't it horrible to speak against Palestine's right to exist?

 

Of Course they don't Egyptians don't get to vote in Israeli elections either. Gaza since 2006 is a different Country. Is it an example of Apartheid that the citizens of Botswana don't get to vote in American elections?

 

West bank Jewish folk can vote in Israeli elections but palestinians in west bank cannot.
That's apartheid.

 

Different country they have their own elections whenever the PLO decides to hold one which is seldom these days as they don't trust their own people since Hamas came to power.

 

Because parts of the West Bank are Israel and parts are not.

 

All Jewish ppl in west bank can vote in Israeli elections. No palestinians in west bank can vote in Israeli elections.

That's apartheid.

 

It definitely is and it is interesting to see the dieners twist and turn trying to deny it.

Either Palestine is its own separate country or it is part of Israel. If it is part of Israel then Palestininans are Israelis. If Palestinians are Israelies then they should be treated as equals under Israeli law. If they are not, that's apartheid.

 

According to the Christian Zionists here, Palestine doesn't exist, so as you said, they must be Israelis then but they are denied the opportunity to vote in israeli elections.

That is the purest definition of Antisemitism in all of this malarkey.

 

I mean the science of karma, whereby every action has an opposite and equal reaction. In the Middle East this might be Palestinian voting in Hamas and Israelis voting in Netanyahu.

Who says that Trump is going to escape karma?

 

Hmm.. I believe, and I think you'd agree, that the Palestinians in Gaza believe they have their own nation. Clearly Hamas views it this way. For me, when you attack another country you get war. And Hamas has clearly gotten what they wished for.

The sad part is there are so many folks willing to take the side of Hamas. The obvious analogy here is Hamas, Like Putin, attacked another country. Folks can start flopping around now.....

 

So, now you're just equivocating. When Hamas use their own citizens as human shields, it certainly appears to combatants that they are just as likely to be combatants.... As far as I am aware, Hamas and Palestinians use the River to the Sea chants. It's like they are begging for genocide....