Scumbag Bragg Implements the Plan to Mislead the Jury about the Charges

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  1. Nemesis

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    The federal court did a great job of explaining preemption when he remanded the case back to state court. You’re right that it’s been rejected.
     
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    Oh, Bill! That’s quite the porky pie!
     
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    LOL at using an uncharged state statute to usurp federal election law while claiming a conspiracy among a group of people while selectively prosecuting only one of them during an election. That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. This screams, "We know this will be overturned, and we're okay with that."
     
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    Why do you guys keep ignoring this law.... "guilty of a misdemeanor." which the statute of limitations had run out

    Here is the indictment.... please show us Trump was charged with the
    ''§ 17-152. Conspiracy to promote or prevent election" you claim we are ignoring
    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000187-4d9a-dc00-a3d7-4d9f97b40000
     
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    The case will proceed, a jury of Trump's peers will assess the evidence, the sworn testimony, the applicable law(s), deliberate, and issue a verdict.

    The fat-assed sexual abuser being pissy and whining about attorneys general, district attorneys, special counsels, defense attorneys, court clerks, witnesses, and their families will have no bearing on the verdict, no matter how much the fat-assed sexual abuser's lickspittles parrot his tantrums.
     
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    Are you even trying to understand the case? First degree is a felony. It requires the falsifying records is done to promote some other crime. No, that other crime (17-152) does NOT have to be charged independently. Seriously, it doesn’t. It has been done this way in past New York cases as well.

    Is it possible scotus will agree with conservatives that this is a flaw in New York law? Sure, they’re crazy enough.
     
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    It’s a pretty solid case actually.
     
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    Bless your heart, but you really aren't doing very well here. It's a valiant effort so I can give you credit for that. This is a perversion of the rule of law and American justice. Surely you have to know it in your heart of hearts. It's high time for you people to start listening to the inner voice that tells you something just isn't right. The people you are blindly defending have really pulled one over on ya. Him calling it personal expense as opposed to legal retainer would have changed nothing.
     
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    That's precisely what the other side would say too as an opposing response.
     
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    Believe it or not, I'm a two time Trump voter who was more than willing to move on from the Orange man. I wanted Desantis. I hoped he'd be a respectable version of Trump. But I realized early on that the Desantis train wasn't happening. I did not like the way Trump acted when he lost and was pretty turned off. I would have even understood the second impeachment if he had not already left office.

    Then came all the legal abuse from the prosecutors and judges. I've never seen anything like the civil trial with Judge Nudie and now this. It's hard to believe we are even doing this.

    Biden has repeatedly smeared Republicans as white supremacists. The FBI and left wing media furthers the false narrative every day. This comes on the heels of his promise to unite us. I don't know how Biden expects us to vote for someone who hates our guts. He truly acts like he doesn't want my vote. He started his campaign with a bald faced lie about Trump's Charlottesville statements. He's been lying ever since. The dark Brandon speech was reprehensible! Long story short, because the Dems didn't know when to stop, a lot of reluctant Trump supporters are now firmly back on the MAGA train. I also think he has gained some new support due to the blatant abuse. It remains to be seen how much. I'm a libertarian first and foremost and despise government abuse. I'll vote for Trump again but wanted to vote for someone else.
     
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    Yes, Donald Trump’s self inflicted legal troubles really earned my “respect”. The bag of **** committed numerous crimes and doesn’t have the discipline or dignity to behave himself and incites his kooky witless minions to harass witnesses and others. **** him, the farting and diaper wearing dementia patient.
     
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    No. There’s not a hint of understanding here. It’s been explained multiple times, and it’s not sinking in. It looks willful to me.
     
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    Yes, in the sane and legal courts, this will be overturned. But how long will it take, and how many "sane and legal courts" are left? By the looks of this, not many in New York City.

    Trump is not an admirable character, but the progressives don't realize what they are playing with here. We are looking at one party dictatorship after almost 250 years of progress. The progressive think it's a game, like rooting for your favorite team in the Super Bowl or wishing for the heal in pro wrestling match to lay down and act like he got the crap beat out of him. Stakes are much higher, especially if you are a young person who want to live "The American dream."
     
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    That’s another highly ironic post. The only posters treating the Trump prosecutions as a “game” are the posters who constantly whine about conspiracy theories and concepts that they have demonstrated that they don’t understand.
     
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    Sorry but nothing they are testifying to is illegal. There hasn't been an election in the history of the country where one or both parties didn't try to hide potentially damaging info about themselves. Hell Clinton had a whole team to handle what his team called by the rather demeaning term Bimbo eruptions. Bribed Joe had a whole crew of liars claiming that his son's computer was Russian disinformation. The amount of stuff these leftist jackasses are claiming is only illegal when Trump does it is amazing.
     
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    You wouldn't recognize an actual illegal conspiracy if it bit you on the ass. Bragg's case is at best a bad fiction and at worst a seditious conspiracy in it's own right
     
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    Hillary Clinton, also from NY, did something similar with the Fusion GPS funding. They lied about the payments to cover up their funding of the Steele Dossier. Nobody is prosecuting her. Odd. This happened during the same time and for the same election. I wonder what's different that would cause a selective prosecution of Trump?
     
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    Obviously party affiliation. Had Trump run as a Democrat and won the same people now trying to send him to jail would have hailed him as a political genius.
     
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    Preemption simply means superior counts can't tell you your case is garbage before it is appealed.
     
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    Umm, no Gary. Use google.
     
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    They have no shame, pride, or inhibitions and don't even try to camouflage it.
     
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    It wasn't too long ago you got a unanimous Supreme Court decision slamming your insurrectiony conspiracy theories about how states can usurp the Constitution and remove federal candidates from the ballot. I have no idea where this confidence comes from since I can't recallany of your legal analysis of Trump ever being correct while making a litany of amateurish mistakes. In fact, the liberal Justices on the SCOTUS have said your legal analysis of Trump is an attack on our democracy. They handed out a healthy of humble pie.

    This is another case of absurd targeting of your political adversary based on rocky legal standing and yet the snarky posts continue further demonstrating more lessons will be handed out in the future. This is clearly a case of a corruption prosecutor and judge targeting a political opponent to harm him on the campaign trail knowing full well these legal theories will eventually be overturned if they manage to obtain a corrupt conviction. There's a reason the DOJ, Vance, and Bragg all declined to pursue this until an associate attorney general from Biden's DoJ went to NYC to prosecute this case during the campaign. And that reason isn't one that should be filling people with confidence with the eventual outcome.

    But as Justice Jackson put it in her previous oral arguments, this is clearly an attack on our democracy from people trying to interfere in the election. And that's the only reason why people are supporting this case.
     
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    Alvin Bragg’s Outrageous Conspiracy Theory.

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    This Lawless County Prosecutor Belongs In Prison.

    County Prosecutor Bragg Bragg, 'is trying to hoodwink the jury into believing that
    (a) it is a crime for a candidate for public office to conspire with others to suppress politically damaging information, and
    (b) that Donald Trump was charged with such a conspiracy in the indictment that has resulted in the ongoing trial. In point of fact, there is no such information-suppression conspiracy crime in the law and the indictment against Trump does not charge a conspiracy — it charges 34 counts of falsifying business records with fraudulent intent to commit or conceal another crime.'

    So What's The "Other" Crime?

    After hiding the ball for a year, Bragg’s prosecutors ridiculously claimed 'that this “other crime” is a New York election statute that contains a conspiracy provision. But the theory is ridiculous. The statute does not criminalize what Bragg claims Trump did — again, suppress politically damaging information. The invocation of it still calls for Bragg to enforce federal election law, which he has no jurisdiction to do. It is plainly intended for state elections because Congress enacted federal campaign law — which is not Bragg’s remit — to control federal elections. And, cherry on top, the election law Bragg invokes is a misdemeanor — that is, Bragg is trying to exacerbate a single misdemeanor falsification of business records into 34 felony counts by rationalizing that Trump was trying to commit or conceal another misdemeanor.'

    'In the United States, the Constitution requires that what the case is based on be spelled out in the indictment. In Trump’s case, the indictment neither charges Trump with conspiracy nor cites any state election statute.'

    'The indictment does not state what “other crime” Trump allegedly committed or concealed by — allegedly — fraudulently falsifying his business records. This is why since last year, when Bragg unsealed the indictment, I have argued that it is constitutionally insufficient. It does not put the defendant on notice of what crime is alleged. In fact, it does not indicate that the grand jury found probable cause of a particular “other crime” that Trump fraudulently intended to commit or conceal.'

    And the farce continues.

    https://archive.ph/379hD#selection-1229.0-1233.223
     
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    It's crazy that the defense had to wait until the trial began to find out what crime he was being accused of.
     

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