North America’s Building Trades Unions is endorsing President Biden for 2024

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't know what you mean. Of course it has happened. Trump DID benefit billionaires. They were the only ones who benefitted from his presidency. Everybody ended up, in one way or another, pretty much screwed.

    Next step is NO ghettos.
     
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    The only thing that really empowers workers is labor shortages inviting in tons of unskilled labor and taxing crap out of small businesses and and regulating them into bankruptcy does not help workers or anyone else.
     
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    Actually low wage workers had the biggest gain under Trump. Billionaires Biden's core support group have benefited greatly under his watch. And yeah Biden's policies will continue to do what they have always done replace ghettoes with homelessness.
     
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    And almost all of them work for billionaires.
     
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    Well I would say that they are a distinct group or class that represent and advocates for workers. They also have their own interests and priorities that might not align with the workers, and unions have been accused of digging in and unduly maintaining their own power and influence. Evidence for this would be tensions and conflicts that developed between workers and unions.
    I did some googling and it seems more complex with multiple factors:
    1. Globalization and automation: Many manufacturing jobs have been outsourced or replaced by technology, leading to a decline in traditional unionized industries.
    2. Changes in workforce composition: The gig economy, temporary, and contract work have become more prevalent, making it harder for unions to organize and represent these workers.
    3. Anti-union legislation and court decisions: Laws like the Taft-Hartley Act and Supreme Court rulings like Janus v. AFSCME have limited union power and made it harder for workers to organize.
    4. Employer opposition: Some companies have actively resisted unionization efforts, using tactics like intimidation, misinformation, and union-busting consultants.
    5. Shift to service-oriented economy: The US economy has transitioned from manufacturing-based to service-based, making it harder for unions to organize workers in these new sectors.
    6. Decline of union density: As union membership declines, it becomes harder for unions to maintain their influence and attract new members.
    7. Internal union issues: Some unions have faced internal conflicts, corruption, or ineffective leadership, which can contribute to a decline in membership and influence.

    Good news.
    A bit of a glib debate killing comment, no? And I'm sorry to say, comes across as unnecessarily patronizing.
    True.
     
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    The unions get money from the government then turn around and donate that money to Democrats.
     
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    The power of unions has been abused in the past. Just like any power. But unions are controlled by their members.

    Not sure what your point is. Are you blaming Democrats for automatization? Or for Supreme Court rulings?

    I don't really understand your point. Sorry...

    I don't know what your purpose was in categorizing work by dividing it into immigrant work and "our" work. Whatever "our" means. Immigrants come here on their own volition because this is a great place to migrate into... We stopped "importing" immigrants when we abolished slavery.
     
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    This idiot is sniveling about Trump not coming thru on a promise in a time of lockdown, death and economic chaos..

    MORONS one and all..
     
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    Wow talk a about fantasy, and out of touch with history..

    Never ever going happen, not only do we have even worse ghettos, we have people publicly crapping and pissing in broad daylight outside their tents..

    You know it's bad when you can get map online marking where homeless folks crap and piss..
     
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    You'll start to see some significant change when the percent of people in the population between the ages of 20 and 45 who are white goes below 50%.

    Also, over time, it seems the immigrant groups coming to Australia have been coming from successively worse countries.

    I'd also point out the main immigrant groups that Australia receives are of a higher caliber than the main immigrant groups that the U.S. and U.K. receives. So the "effect" of immigration will in some ways be less in Australia than we have seen in the other two countries.

    But already it looks like the areas around the four biggest main cities in Australia have become overcrowded and housing shortages are becoming a major issue for your country.
    (thread: The Australian Dream Has Died, Housing Too Expensive )
     
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    Chaos that Trump created. In any case, Trump didn't come thru on ANY promise he made. Except his promise to billionaires.
     
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    That's what they said about Obamacare. Give Democrats the Presidency, the House and an effective supermajority in the Senate, and they could do it in four years. Don't, and it will take longer.
     
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    That used to be the case now they are being paid by Democrat allied NGOs to come here, and much of that money is winding up in the pockets of south of the border Drug cartels.
     
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    Laughable nonsense.
     
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    Thank you for conceding that. And I agree with you, in a way.

    Immigration does fuel (and sustain) an economic bubble.

    In this case there seems to be a lot of overlap with a building bubble, which is one of the main classic forms of economic bubbles.

    It can't go on forever, and will ultimately not make things better in the long run, but nobody wants to pop that bubble now, which would bring immediate "pain".

    It may be true all this immigration is increasing housing prices, but all the building & construction is pumping lots of money into the economy. (Something that likely is not sustainable and will not go on forever. That's when you get a "bust" in the construction sector that could bring Australia into a recession, since many people took out loans and mortgages assuming that money would keep flowing)
     
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    China created it, hell if you can't get that right then you really haven't anything substantial to say..
     
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    Lmao, tent cities and Obamacare..

    WINNING
     
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    No, not shocked. But, tell you what, listen to his argument.

    Can you refute any point he makes? Just curious.
     
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    Gee a hard corp leftie labor union supports Biden - when was the last time they endorsed a Republican.
     
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    Where we need the labour is rural areas and that is where a lot do go
     
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    You mean other than the fact that it was wholly disconnected from reality. Oh and the New York branch said not no but hell no. Seems a few of them are under the impression that having their membership robbed raped and murdered on the way to work isn't a good thing.
     
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    Imagine that, unions supporting democrats.

    By the way, Trump leads in every single swing state but one.
     
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    That is not true. Though they were only temporary unlike the corporate tax cuts, I'm sure there are plenty of non-rich people who benefited from his tax cuts even if only for a limited time. This cannot be denied no matter how much you dislike Trump, and I dislike the man an incredible amount.
     
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    Hah! A conspiracy theory to defend Trump from the mess he created....
     
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    They did not benefit! They paid back every penny of the breadcrumbs thrown their way in the form of the inflation and debt that the PERMANENT ones created. And they are still paying. It's as if they had taken a loan with a 1000% interest. It's that much easier to create a mess than it is to fix it.
     
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