NYPD arrests over 100 protesters at NYU, clears out anti-Israel encampment on campus

If Hamas released their hostages and laid down their arms, there would be peace. If Israel laid down their weapons, they would be destroyed. You trivialized the fact that Hamas hides behind their women and children. Innocents will continue to die so long as they do that.

 

Completely untrue. Israel is gobbling up Palestinian lands as fast as it can, and has been since 1948. Hamas came into being BECAUSE of Israel oppression of the Palestinians. What you call peace is actually the crushing of the Palestinian people. What you want is for Palestinians to be quiet and subservient to their Jewish masters. Would you live 'peacefully' as a second class citizen? I would not. I would rebel.

That said, I do not approve of Hamas tactics, and their attack on innocent civilians. Change must be done peacefully. But due to our unwavering support of Israel regardless of their actions, we have created a situation where something terrible like the October 7th attack almost HAD to happen in order for real change to occur to the ongoing oppression of the Palestinian people. We here in the US should have demanded decades ago that Palestinians be treated as equals to Jewish Israelis, with all of the rights and protections the Jews enjoy, and make our aid to Israel dependent on that.

If Hamas simply released their hostages and walked away, there would be no change, and the crushing of the Palestinians would continue. Real change must occur first, and should have decades ago. It is a failure of the supposed freedom-loving west that the criminal treatment of Palestinians has been allowed to continue, and the October 7th attacks were the price humanity had to pay. Hopefully, we all learn something from these events and work harder to treat all of humanity as equals, with dignity and respect. That is the only way to truly defeat terrorism. Bombs and guns are completely incapable of solving this issue. Only honest and fair diplomacy where humanity is the number one priority and the needs of all factions are respected equally will be able to defeat terror.

 

You are completely contradicting yourself there.

 

I don’t agree with the protesters, but the fact that they are critical of the Israeli government does not make them Nazis.

 

How about stabbing jews in the eye? Is that Nazi enough? How about supporting groups that have a mission to kill jews? How about chanting jewish extermination slogans?

That nazi enough for you?

 

NOT EVEN Close...
(Btw--The entire, ludicrously absurd "stabbing jews in the eye" narrative was horrifically (and comically) overblown and mischaracterized)...

 

Not at all. How do you figure?

 

Did you see that 'stab in the eye'? it was not that at all. the little hand held flag barely touched her, and it looked more accidental than anything. It was completely blown out of proportion by the MSM.

You say they are chanting about exterminating jews (which they are not), but meanwhile Palestinians actually ARE being exterminated by the tens of thousands. Why no concern for that? It seems you don't value all human life, just Jewish life. Strange.

 

And you seem to value the lives of the rapist hamas more than the lives of the jews who were victimized. Hamas only had to release hostages to mitigate what is taking place now, and they decided not too.

You guys like to try and argue this great distinction between hamas and Palestinians, but when hamas soldiers paraded their rape victims around the city the Palestinians seemed pretty impressed and supportive of the actions.

You can side with the rapist , I'll side with the Jews here.

 

You say you would rebel non peacefully if in their shoes. But then say it needs to he done peacefully.

 

Lol, you think there are no rapes going on in Jewish prisons? Sorry, but sexual assault happens on a regular basis there.

Both Hamas and the IDF are in the wrong in this conflict. All that matters is the preservation of life. Everything else is secondary, and largely unimportant. Vengeance doesn't matter. Religion doesn't matter. Political power doesn't matter. The preservation and thriving of innocent human life is what matters. And that is what the protests are about. They are not in support of Hamas, as much as you love to try to paint all of us like that.

 

Brother they aren't going to find peace and war is always ugly. I disagree with your assertion that they don't support hamas.

 

Ohhh, it's "mischaracterized". Why didn't you say so before?

That's the bullshit that lefty's use when they don't like the facts.

 

I know you do. I don't know why. My daughter and her friends are quite involved in the protests, and not one of them supports Hamas. Quite the opposite in fact. And that is the prevalent view. Supporting Hamas is not the goal. Do you really think so many all over the world are protesting because they support terrorist actions? Really? Is your view of humanity that low?
These protests are about stopping the slaughter of innocents and to free the oppressed.

I would think most conservatives would embrace their cause. Hell, its the motto of the Green Berets. "De Opresso Libre". To free the oppressed. But, sadly, elitist interests have infiltrated the conservative movement, and now they are little different than liberals. Such a strange time we live in.

 

OK let's clarify. The people organizing the protest is who I'm talking about when I say I think they support hamas. Sure, I think the average student doesn't. I don't think the average student really knows why they are there behind they don't like seeing a war take place.

I think if I saw more calls from these groups asking hamas to release the hostages I would believe they don't agree with them. But common sense and past observations tell me that Palestinians never really had much of a problem with the hamas and the way they behaved on Oct 7 celebrating the rape and torture of teenage girls with the hamas soldiers paints a completely different picture.

These groups will never find peace, so I think you are compelled to pick a side and I know which side I'd end up picking.

 

Sounds like a German excuse in the late 30's lol.

 

Just curious, have they protested the arabs treatment of the palestinians? The Hutus and the Tutsis? The iranian government killing their citizens? The Chinese government killing their citizens, including moslems? arabs keeping African slaves today? A million other Third World atrocities?

Or do they just limit themselves to protesting well off white people?

 

Facts will show otherwise. Israel is a tiny strip of land in the region. They are barely holding onto the only land where they are allowed to exist. The stolen land argument doesn’t hold water for those with a basic knowledge of history.

 

Lol, you won't see anything on MSM gong against what MSM wants you to see, because MSM supports the uniparty agenda, which requires massive arms sales to Israel and Ukraine.
Common sense should tell you that the vast majority of people, including Palestinians and Israelis, only want to live in peace, and have their families live in peace. Again, it is the uniparty agenda, which controls the MSM, that is shoveling you all the propaganda painting Palestinians as animals.

How many people do you know that support rape and torture of teenage girls? Do you REALLY think and entire population of millions would celebrate such a thing?? Common sense should tell you no, of course not.

The people organizing the protests want the same thing the students want. Peace for all. It is our politicians and elites invested in the arms industry that are so invested in division, fear, control, and manipulation. Don't fall for their BS.

 

People only have so many hours in the day, lol. The slaughter in Gaza is the single most critical humanitarian crisis on the planet at this moment, so it gets the attention. Have you protested all of those things? Why would you expect others to protest all of those things?

The situation is critical, time sensitive, and has massive implications for our government.

Certainly in conversations about all of those things, they would denounce anything that resulted in inhumane treatment. But the sad fact is millions of innocents are in critical danger at this very moment, so that is going to get all of the attention.

Which causes are you protesting?

 

I don't rely on main stream media for stuff I explained as they won't show it. They can't. I'm talking about 1st hand accounts and in person recordings I've watched of the Oct 7 incident. Documenting reality is a great website to get unfiltered uncensored evidence. And plenty exist from Oct 7. Hundreds of hours.

I don't speak in 100%, always outliers. But I think the vast majority of Palestinians had ZERO problem with what took place on Oct 7th. As I stated before, the population was celebrating as hamas drove around in Palestine with their rape victims in the back of a truck bleeding from their vagina and anus. The crowd smacked them, insulted them, spat on them, etc... that's disgusting.

The people organizing the protest want Isreal eliminated. They aren't stupid. They know it's going to be one or the other, peace will never happen.

 

People feeling like they are being attacked and victimized are capable of feeling things they normally would not. After 9-11 look at the heinous things we did and supported. Islamophobia skyrocketed here against people that had absolutely nothing to do with the attacks and were disgusted by them. People cheered as we invaded not only Afghanistan, but also Iraq, wars that were completely unjustified. We cheered as we watched shock and awe on our TV screens, and those F/A-18C's catapulting off of carriers to drop 2,000 pounds of justice on the heads of... Iraqis who had nothing to do with anything.

Does that make Americans as 'evil' as you apparently think Palestinians are? No, of course not. Palestinians have lived through decades of oppression and fear at the hands of the Israelis. I think it is totally understandable if they don't seem broken-hearted over what Hamas did. They are only human, with emotions like frustration, fear, and hate that we ourselves felt when we were struck.
None of it justifies what is being done to them as we speak. It is totally inhumane, and not only that, but it is totally counterproductive. It is only going to spawn more hate, that will create more extremists that will carry out more attacks. The cycle has to end.

 

I would love for us to co-exist but I think evil does exist in this world unfortunately and sometimes we have to take massive steps to fix it. Also, good doesn't always win and sometimes evil prevails. Do I think the war machine that America has been makes them evil? I'm not sure. I think we have committed EVIL acts, just as the Palestinians and others, but I'm not ready to call us evil. As stated before, war is always messy and war in its self is evil, but often seems to be a necessary part of life. We committed evil acts in ww2, but I think most people would agree at the end of the day the end justified the means (Probably butchered that phrase).

Since Hamas is now at war with Israel, evil acts are going to take place. That's what happens in war. I don't see them ever coming to peace terms and I think the elimination of HAMAS is the best thing that could happen for that area of the middle east. The cycle will only end when one side wins in complete domination. Peace will be experienced for a few decades , and then another group will pop up and we will go through the same cycle.

So yes while peace would be nice, I don't think its a realistic option here and in the end I support Israel over Hamas and by proxy Palestine. Do I want civilian causalities? Absolutely not. Do I feel terrible when I see the videos of children killed by Israel attacks? Absolutely. Just as I feel compassion for German children and German civilians killed by our fire bombing. Just as I feel compassion for the Japanese citizens who got decimated in our nuclear attacks. It sucks, but its what happens when two countries or two groups go to war.

 

I'm sure they don't all support HAMAS, but some of them do. Israel doesn't plan to stop until HAMAS is obliterated. But if HAMAS was eliminated and there were no more terrorists trying to kill them, I believe Israel would stop. You are free to disagree with that. But typically wars end when one side surrenders. The Terrorists started this particular war. They must be the ones to surrender. Since they will never surrender, that means they must be obliterated. They could stop the entire debacle today if they unconditionally surrendered and gave up their hostages. Israel has bent over backwards in the past trying to make a 2-state solution work. But the Palestinians tend to have a one-track mind. When given a chance to make something of themselves, they waste all their resources on making more anti-Israel weapons rather than looking out for the needs of their state. If Hamas gave a damn about the Palestinian's welfare, they would stop using them as human shields. I think Israel just wants to be left alone.

 

Wait are you suggesting that criticizing the actions of the Israeli government is necessarily anti-Semitic? For real? Can you please state yourself clearly instead of hiding your views behind ambiguity? (Not that I blame you. If I shared your views I’d be embarrassed to state them clearly, too.)