Trump Was Fined $9,000 For Speaking

ANY other defendant would already be in jail for contempt for defying court orders.

No other defendant would be allowed to make the threats Trump has made without visiting the slammer or even being tried in absentia.

The question is whether the law allows defendants to threaten or berate jurors, witnesses, court staff or the judge and their families.

And, the answer is NO. That is NOT covered by speech rights.


As the judge said, it's unfortunate that the penalty is only $1k per contempt, as that may be fine for most of us, but it isn't an adequate deterrent for Trump.

 

The charges are falsifying business records, first degree for intent to use it to commit another crime. That other crime does not have to be separately charged, as other cases from New York demonstrate.

 

What is the second crime?

 

17-152

 

Paying hush money isn't unlawful.

And no, the state campaign finance laws do not apply to Federal elections.

 

Trump is being treated as any other individual under indictment is treated. In fact, he's being treated much better because he's been allowed Nine violations thus far where others would have been incarcerated long before this.

To disrupt or hinder the integrity of the judicial process is not protected speech which is why he's under a gag order. Anyone else in a similar circumstance would be as well

 

Biden would never be under trial in these circumstances.So your point is moot.However Blogoyavitch (sp?) was under indictment and no democrat came to his defense that I can recall

 

Falsifying business records is unlawful. In New York, promoting an election (including to a federal office) by unlawful means is also a crime that elevates falsifying business records to a felony. I do recall they cited what you refer to as well. I haven't evaluated them much since they're superfluous. 17-152 is enough and doesn't need to be charged at all to be used.

 

Do you believe Trump's defense attorneys are incompetent and will not raise any such issue in court?

 

Falsifying the business records wasn't being used to promote a candidate.

I see you're back off the bogus campaign finance claim.

 

Trump's defense attorneys????
This is all crooked Judge Merchan's duty to inform the jury.... NDA are not illegal... catch and kill is not illegal... the initial misdemeanor had the statute of limitation run out... the prosecution has no second crime, but are relying on a "undisclosed" second crime...

 

Your contempt for America's system of justice (allied to contempt for America's democratic elections, and embrace of goons attacking outnumbered police and fake elector schemes) appears to derive from an unhealthy worship of a whiny sexual abuser.

The Cry Baby Loser is not above the law.

 

Anyone condoning this case has zero respect for the justice system.

 

This post made me LOL so hard, my beer came shooting out of my nostrils.

 

Your fanatical worship of the sexual abuser instills in you a contempt for America's institutions.

 

and he is not below the law.

 

I hope the Judge holds him in contempt and throws his fat, mango, criminal, traitorous ass in jail until after the trial.

MAGA

 

My comment was not about Trump.

 

Biden, took documents and had them

Trump, took documents and had them

Neither trump nor Biden are being charged with any crime because of this.

Biden, when asked for the documents back promptly gave them up to the appropriate authority's.

trump, when asked for the documents back did not give them up to the appropriate authority's but instead tried to keep them.

Biden is not being charged for keeping the documents because he gave them back when asked

trump is being charged for keeping the documents because he did not gave them back when asked

 

It's not just our right, it's our duty to question the government.

 

The gagging isn't the only violation of Trump's constitutional rights.

'Bragg’s prosecution violates the U.S. Constitution because he is trying Trump on a crime — conspiracy to steal an election by violating federal campaign law — that is not charged in the indictment and is not even a New York crime. Bragg’s prosecution also violates the New York constitution because the felony business-records-falsification statute he invokes fails to spell out, expressly and with specificity, the “other crimes” that trigger it — and, in the instance of this prosecution against Trump, fails to spell out whether the state legislature intended to empower state prosecutors to enforce federal campaign law.'

https://archive.ph/IHFVb#selection-1359.0-1359.624

 

Get it right. Nobody in America is under any duty or obligation to presume someone is innocent of any given crime, except that empaneled jury to which you refer, or a judge during a bench trial. That's because they are the only folk who's judgement can come with deprivation of personal liberty, or property or life. Millions of people get to presume him guilty instead of innocent and only 12 have to reverse that presumption under due process rules governing a public trial..

And no, gag orders properly imposed by a court do not infringe on anyone's first amendment rights. We know this because there are a series of appelate rulings throughout this country's history that say so. . They are literally a century's old tool designed to ensure a constitutional right to a fair trial by a jury or judge.

 

There’s precedent for stand alone felony falsifying business records without a spelled out other crime in the indictment. For example People of New York Vs Structure Tone Inc https://www.paintsquare.com/news/view/?11366

 

Despite all his whining that is parroted by his worshipers, the prosecutions of all criminal charges are being discharged in accordance with the law, substantive evidence and sworn testimony being presented to juries of his peers, and ample opportunity to refute and discredit them provided to his defense attorneys.

Those who bought into the loser's lies - his goons of January 6, his co-conspirators in fake elector schemes, etc. - should not have to pay for their crimes while he is not held responsible for his actions.

So many like Giuliani, Powell, Navarro, Meadows, Chesebro, Eastman, etc., etc., etc. have been or will be brought to justice for their parts in his sordid caper to pervert democracy.
The Cry Baby Loser must be accorded justice as well, even if it causes him to squeal.

Like the certified democratic election, he need not like it, but he must accept it like any other American.

 

Only within the strictures of the law. Presumably, the Cry Baby Loser has retained competent and diligent counsel to defend him against the charges, as is his right.

Lashing out at officers of the court and their families is not a right that any defendant is allowed to indulge in.