Trump’s history-making hush-money trial begins ...(Mod Warning)

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  1. Nemesis

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    Is he better off sleeping or agitated?
     
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    I suspect that’s why he is paying attention to Hope Hicks and giving her the evil eye.
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    THEN HE HAS NO OTHER CRIME to bootstrap to the misdemeanor record violation. There is only one order and that is this judges.

    If it is not an election fraud crime then what SPECIFICALLY is the crime?



    AGAIN

    .....Bragg, an election denier, is trying to convict Trump of a crime that is not charged in the indictment — to wit, conspiracy to steal the 2016 election by suppressing negative information in violation of federal campaign law. This violates the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which requires a felony charge to be spelled out in an indictment whose criminal elements have been established by probable cause to the satisfaction of a grand jury. Here, the problem is not just that there is no indication the grand jury was presented with an election-theft conspiracy offense; there is no such conspiracy crime in New York penal law. As a state prosecutor, moreover, Bragg has no jurisdiction to enforce federal law — as to which Congress vested “exclusive” criminal- and civil-enforcement authority, respectively, in the Justice Department and the Federal Election Commission...."

    Then there is the constitutionality of New Yorks own law under it's own constitution

    "....The difference between the misdemeanor prescribed by §175.05 and the felony prescribed by §175.10 is that the latter requires proof that the falsifier’s fraudulent intent included the concealment of “another crime.” But the statute is constitutionally infirm — probably in all cases, but at least as applied to Trump — because it does not state what “other crimes” trigger felony liability.

    Under Article III, §16 of the New York Constitution:

    No act shall be passed which shall provide that any existing law, or any part thereof, shall be made or deemed a part of said act, or which shall enact that any existing law, or part thereof, shall be applicable, except by inserting it in such act. [Emphasis added.]

    This is a due-process provision meant to prevent exactly what Bragg has done here: force a defendant to go to trial without being put on notice of the charge...."
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2024...tent=featured-content-trending&utm_term=first
     
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    Laura Ingraham over at Fox was bitching about Coehn's "VonShitzInPants" was entered into the court records.


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    24 hours ago — At his hush-money trial on Thursday, Trump had to sit silently at the defense table as his lawyer read aloud from Michael Cohen's greatest ...


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    1 day ago — During a hearing Thursday over claims Donald Trump ... Cohen's “Vonshitsinpants” comment was repeated in court and drew a lot of laughter.

    "OMFG — Todd Blanche just said “Vonshitzinpants” in ...
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    OMFG — Todd Blanche just said “Vonshitzinpants” in open court. In front of Donald Trump.
     
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    There is no charge of conspiracy in the indictment yet Bragg is trying to try him for one.
     
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    Sounds like a simple misnomer. Cohen's been working for Trump since 2006. Got a link so I can take a look? I keep hearing he says for legal fees, which still sounds plausible.

    Anything about whether or not the agreement must be in writing? I think it has to be if it is to be enforceable in most courts (statute of frauds) but I'd think they can just wink, nod and be on their way if they both know what is expected.
     
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    ???? No. Just as Fannie or her boyfriend in Georgia met several times with the White House, Im sure Bragg's office has as well.

    As well there is Mark F. Pomerantz a federal Prosecutor in Bidens DOJ who resigned to go work as an assistant with Bragg.
     
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    Is there an accounting term that should have been used to pay for a legal contract known as a NDA? Where on the ledger is it supposed to be recorded and WHAT DIFFERENCE DID IT MAKE? And since the statute of limitation ran out on such a minor record keeping matter why is this trial even going on? That would have been the ONLY jurisdiction Bragg would have.

    BTW the Bill Clinton campaign listed the expenses to keep the "bimbos" as they called them intimidate and quiet as "legal expenses and the Hillary Clinton campaign listed the money to pay for the fake Russian dossier as a "legal expense". Was anyone charged with a crime even after the FEC in fact DID SAY they were campaign finance violations.
     
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    The meetings have already been explained, NUMEROUS times.

    They had nothing to do with the case in GA. And even if they did? So freaking what? Nothing illegal, or even unethical, about it.
     
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    The term is sure as hell NOT "Retainer"
     
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    I like him agitated, let the jury see and feel the crazy.
     
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    Typical repartee from the peanut gallery void of substance.
     
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    This is where Hicks ****ed up.
    She got caught lying big time back in 2018/2019

    'House Democrats demand Hope Hicks clarify testimony after Cohen document dump'

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019...second-look-after-cohen-document-dump-1422149


    Ex-Trump aide Hicks denies involvement in hush money talks
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    Jul 19, 2019 — An attorney for former White House Communications Director Hope Hicks denied on Friday that she was involved in discussions during the 2016 ...
     
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    In who made the ruling which currently stands?
    That ruling has nothing to do with this discussion it was about moving it to federal court because Trump was an officer of government at the time and the acts were official acts.
     
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    Ahhhh.
    And to think she used to steam the wrinkles out of VonShitsinPant's pants.
    PHEW.
     
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    2 min ago
    Blanche whispers to Trump as Hicks walks by


    Attorney Todd Blanche was whispering to Donald Trump while Hope Hicks walked past in the courtroom.

    2 min ago
    Hicks walks past Trump on her way to the witness box
    Hope Hicks walked past Trump as she made her way back to the witness box.

    She did not look in his direction. Her right hand was clenched in a fist, and her left was holding a handbag.

    Trump looked up at her slightly as she stepped into the box.

    5 min ago
    Trump returns to the courtroom
    Donald Trump walked down the center aisle of the courtroom and smirked at someone sitting on the left side of the galley.

    Judge Juan Merchan is on the bench.


    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...l-05-03-24#h_d99b62d75e02f66e475d175bb577ec58
     
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    43s ago14.22 EDT

    Court is in session and prosecutor Matthew Colangelo is back at the lectern.

    They’re once again talking about the early November 2016 email she received from a Wall Street Journal reporter who was working on a story about American Media Inc.’s purchase of Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels’ stories despite their not publishing these accounts.
     
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    The prosecution is starting back up with questions about a 2016 Wall Street Journal article


    Prosecutors have resumed their questions for key witness Hope Hicks, picking up a line of inquiries around a 2016 article in the Wall Street Journal about Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels.

    "I believe I heard Mr. Trump speaking to Mr. Cohen shortly after the story was published," Hicks testified.

    Hicks, who has said she is nervous during the testimony, is wringing her hands as she says this.

    "There was nothing memorable" about the call, she said.

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...l-05-03-24#h_d99b62d75e02f66e475d175bb577ec58
     
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    As an accountant who does this everyday, I can absolutely tell you that "legal expense" is perfectly acceptable from an accounting standpoint. Hell, "miscellaneous operating expense" would be acceptable, "unrelated business expense", take your pick. Any expense incurred to promote or protect your brand (or name and reputation in Trumps case) is a perfectly legitimate operating cost. Of course I don't think I am saying anything that an honest person would not be willing to acknowledge.
     
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    Just like every other call between the two when both are threatening whomever and raging..


    "There was nothing memorable" about the call, she said."
     
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    2 min ago
    Prosecutors show November 2016 Wall Street Journal story to jury


    Prosecutors are now showing Hope Hicks and the jury the November 4, 2016, story from the Wall Street Journal.



    5 min ago
    Hicks was in a car with Priebus and Trump at the time of the call with Cohen
    She said Reince Priebus was in the car with her and Trump at the time of the call with Michael Cohen.


    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...l-05-03-24#h_d99b62d75e02f66e475d175bb577ec58



    They were traveling to a rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania, she said.
     
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    Wha??! That was totally non responsive.
     
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    Hicks reads the denial she gave to the Wall Street Journal


    Hope Hicks is now reading the denial she gave to the Wall Street Journal for the story.

    At the time she told the reporter that the claim of the affair was "totally untrue."

    Hicks is reluctant to quote or attribute anything to Donald Trump as verbatim.

    Hicks said:
    "I don’t remember him saying to me verbatim, 'We have no knowledge of any of this.' I don’t want to say that’s what he said because I don’t remember."

    3 min ago
    Prosecutors show November 2016 Wall Street Journal story to jury
    Prosecutors are now showing Hope Hicks and the jury the November 4, 2016, story from the Wall Street Journal.

    https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-n...l-05-03-24#h_d99b62d75e02f66e475d175bb577ec58
     
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