Lying Jack's Classified Docs Case Goes Buns Up - Postponed Indefinitely.

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  1. Eddie Haskell Jr

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    If evidence that didn't come from QAnon world showed they did, then absolutely, but you know that didn't happen. Why do you hate those that go after criminals and terrorists so much?
     
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    The FBI provided the evidence themselves... 1bf84586-f1e0-44bf-a8df-965e7f38aeb2-1052x615.jpeg
     
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  3. Eddie Haskell Jr

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    QAnon and right-wing media have been saying evidence was planted since the night he was raided (go figure) but haven't been able to provide one shred of evidence.
     
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    Yes, i've seen this QAnon nonsense from this election denier before. How about REAL proof evidence was planted? Trump had security cameras all over the place. Why not show any of those of agents actually planting evidence? You don't (and won't) have any Republican AG indict FBI agents because everyone knows it's BS except for those that drank the punch.
     
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    Love the passive voice, like the boxes that the FBI tampered with just shuffled themselves.
    It is changed. They've pulled things, shuffled things around, combined and uncombined boxes, all while maintaining to the Court that everything was in the exact same condition it was in when it was retrieved.
    Try again, that's not the claim. The evidence that Trump's folks never went through them, did not know what all Biden's team had put in the boxes is completely spoiled by the FBI's shuffling through the boxes, removing items, combining boxes, and lying about it, until they were forced to admit it, when while searching to see what privileged material they improperly removed from MAL, it was discovered that the inventories of the boxes did not match the contents of the boxes.

    You labor under the false presumptions that these lying crooks are granted the benefit of the doubt. They aren't. Americans know that this is a political hit job, and that if Trump's name was Biden, Clinton, Obama, Pence, that there would be no case.

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    Dude you can thank your lucky stars on the basis of this information that Cannon didn't accept a move by the defense to dismiss the case out of hand.
     
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    It is there right in the documents shown in the OP.
     
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    I think your post is missing a lot of context. The most important context is that there was a lot of documents marked classified at Mar-a-Lago, but the prosecution is focused on a very small percentage of documents based on statutory laws they feel are favorable to their case in hopes that those specific documents can be applied to someone who was President.

    At the start of the raid they sent in a "filter team" who was supposed to go in and find Trump's personal effects and remove them as well as identify potentially classified material and swap them out with marked pages. The prosecution has been misleading the Court and the defense counsels this entire time and only now have they disclosed that this filter team wasn't focused on maintaining the sequencing and contents of each box. Before this past week, they were told that everything is exactly as it was found.

    On top of that, they ended up taking a ton of Trump's personal items, like his passport, which caused a civil case to return them. A filter team came in again and did that work, largely by bringing in an outside contractor to scan the pages so they had a record of what they took. The prosecution claims, again, that the scans were done in sequence of the documents in the boxes and nothing was moved or changed. Those scans became a digitized copy of the evidence that the defense was using as its primary source of evidence. However, those scans were for a civil case and did not have the Constitutional safeguards of evidence that is required for a criminal case. The defense was just taking the prosecution's word that they were telling them the truth.

    Jack Smith's team is now saying those civil case "scans" from an outside vendor, not done in proper accordance of criminal evidentiary standards, of materials after a "filter team" went through them multiple times was done without caring about the order is the "best evidence" they have available.

    But wait, there's more. The team printed out a series of cover sheets to mark the type of classification/document types they were replacing. But they ran out. So they used blank sheets of paper and used a "general" process of marking them which they have said was not a consistently defined process. So even the markers that they used are questionable. AND, the prosecution for the first time admitted they can't even be sure which specific document the defendants are charged with coincides with a particular marker.

    The problem with this? The defense claims they had no idea which documents they had in their possession. There were literally pallets of boxes of paper. The only thing they could go off of to make their defensive case was that these specific records they are being charged with were mixed in with documents that were not easily identifiable as being related. So they would not have known they had them, even if they did a best-effort search to find them. But now they can't do that because the prosecution has said they have no idea where the records were or what they were with. But, the defense is criminally responsible for knowing specifically which documents they had from pallets of documents based on what theory?

    The defense is asking for evidentiary hearings and a better explanation from the prosecution on what the heck they did with the evidence because as it stands now they seem to view the evidence as being spoiled to make the case against them. And they have a very strong case without a better explanation from the shady prosecution who has been misleading them this entire time. This isn't the first, second, or third shady thing the prosecution has done in this case. There is a list a mile long at this point, and the judge is losing her patience with the inept investigation of the DOJ and Smith's corrupt prosecution.
     
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  10. Eddie Haskell Jr

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    Nope, not a single thing is there but nonsense to confuse their supporters. If any Republican charges FBI with planting, I'll come back to admit you're right but we both know that ain't gonna happen because the 'planting' is entirely fabricated.
     
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    None so blind as those who refuse to see.
     
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    Glans people are like that...
     
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    Show me the conviction.
     
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    Do try and remember T**** has said he has or had classified documents and it is his right to have them.. He has not pled innocence but rather immunity.
     
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    And he was correct.
     
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