To the anti-Muslim crowd here: what say you of this?

I think you mean "hanged"

But hey they could be cheering because he's hung I suppose....

 

HAHAHAHAHA oh (*)(*)(*)(*) you got me there, i cant stop laughing. good one dude haha.

 

I haven't heard of a politician being excommunicated from the Catholic church for voting pro-abortion however the Church is free to do as they wish, they are not a State church and do not advocate church law to be part of the State as Sharia does. If a politician bends their vote because of being lobbied by a church or any other organization it is up to the voters to get rid of him/her.

Christians are free to support whatever cause they deem appropriate just like pro-homosexual, pro-atheist, pro-Jewish, pro-Muslim or pro-'any organizations' are free to do.

Christian-haters far outnumber Muslim-haters. In fact, so-called Muslim-haters are pretty rare here in the US.

The Constitution was meant to be a SECULAR document. HOWEVER, the basic tenets of good, social, human behavior contained therein were based on what the framers believed and ALL of them had their roots in JUDEO-CHRISTIAN teachings. Thus the U.S. Constitution has JUDEO-CHRISTIAN morals and values as its foundation. NOT Sharia-law. Just because our Constitution and laws are rooted in JUDEO-CHRISTIAN MORALS and VALUES does not mean we have a theocracy.

The establishment clause strictly forbids a theocracy and Sharia law promotes a theocracy therefore, Sharia law stands in stark opposition to our Constitution.

I am not here to denigrate Sharia-law...Apparently it works for Muslims but America is not a Muslim theocracy...at least not yet.

 

Teddy Kennedy was prohibited from taking Communion for his abortion views and the Vatican did not want Caroline Kennedy appointed to an Ambassadorship with them for her own support of abortion. Sharia works great for the Muslim Men who beat up, behead, cut off the nose and ears, don't allow education and whip the women and girls. Have dancing boys and man/boy relationships, too. Its a disgrace. Time to leave Iraq and Afghanistan and get out of this mess.

 

This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx's writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level. The members of this group are not Leninists, Stalinists, etc. and do not support or condone the actions of North Korea, China, Cuba or any other self-procalimed "Marxist States." They do not in anyway represent the Marxist philosophy nor do they represent Socialism/ Communsim. We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!


That is from "Organizing for America" a so-called 'grass roots' organization of self-described Marxists that support Obama.

I reject your premise that America is like a small child so, the rest of your diatribe is meaningless.

 

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''In October 2009, a bill was tabled in the Ugandan Parliament entitled "Anti-Homosexuality Bill 2009" calling for harsher penalties for homosexuals, up to and including the death penalty.[2] This law also requires that any citizen who suspects another person of being homosexual, is required to report the homosexual to police, or they too may receive a fine or time in prison'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Uganda

''According to the census of 2002, Christians made up about 84% of Uganda's population''
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda

 

The Marxists know a Marxist when they see one. And Obama ain't it!

 

lol i love that video, makes me laugh my ass off. and again, are they killing gays by law of the land?

 

Let's see, I sold all my guns when I got home from Afghanistan in December 2001, where I was shot in the back of the head while trying to round up al-Qaeda as they fled across the border.

I immensely dislike organized religion.

I work in a difficult scientific field as a consultant.

I have friends all over the world, some of my favorite people live in Darfur. My brother is in Darfur fighting to protect these lovely people from being murdered by Islamic terrorists.

I fought in the first gulf war, I was in the western desert blowing up SCUD missile launchers, I was shot in the back. Right after the bombing of the world trade center I volunteered to go to Afghanistan, in December of 2001 I was shot in the back of the head while trying to round up al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders who were fleeing across the Pakistani border.

So, you are saying that I am a gun toting Nazi?

Which newspaper articles?

Which sources of information?

And after you said all this ignorant nonsense you think that any American cares what you think, why?

Other sources of information than which sources?

So, basically what you are saying is that most Americans are NAZIs who are being mind controlled by some ultra sophisticated media controlled by some sort of hate group and we cannot think for ourselves. Is that what you are saying?

 

yes they could if new law is accepted

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

 

So, someone is using Uganda as an example of what Christian nations do? Uganda? They cannot be serious.

Didn't this bill get defeated?

 

well i guess you got me there. but first is it even made up as a christian law pushed for by the church? and lets not forget these Africans are nowhere near civilized anyways lol. but yes the basic premise of your post is correct. so christians have a (*)(*)(*)(*) stain country with a bunch of barbarians.

 

That may be true however, Kennedy was a Catholic, pro-abortion AND a US Senator until his dying day. The Vatican had no real power over him or the U.S. Government apparently.

My point is that Islam promotes theocratic rule which is in direct opposition to the U.S. Constitution and Establishment clause. The spear-head of creating a Muslim theocracy is Sharia law.

Yes, Sharia law allows all kinds of what we would consider horrendous acts. Yet we have folks here in America that seem to be oblivious.

 

You do understand what this means don't you?

"By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx's writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat."


One would not expect Obama, or any other Marxist, to state their beliefs openly. However one can get a good idea of a politician's belief by those who vote for him/her.

What is your opinion of the word 'proletariat?'

 

You make no sense at all.

So how is it different for any Muslim who thinks Sharia Law is a good idea (which most DO NOT) campaigns to get THEIR theocratic rules established into law vs Catholics, evengelicals, etc/ to get THEIR theocratic rules into law?

Muslim-haters who advocate their blanket expulsion, murder or destruction of Muslims are at least as bad as the worst of those radical Muslim Imams, so why should we not expel the Muslim-haters from America as well?

 

I dunno. Being refused Communion in the Catholic Church is a big deal. Why stick with the Church being against one of its main tennents? Kennedy also wrote a letter to Pope Benedict asking forgiveness which was never answered by the Vatican. No body said the Vatican had power over the USA except to refuse Caroline Kennedy as an American Ambassador to them. BTW, if most Muslim's don't agree with Sharia Law which is a mainstay of the Religion/government, why are folk sticking with it? I don't see those guys inproving the lot of woman in Islam at all including but not limited to the Egypt guys who derided the few woman who were brave enough to show up on Women Liberation Day. I think those guys love beating up and forcing themselves on woman and girls.

 

Nor do you.

We have already seen the turmoil that Sharia Law can inflict on Western nations such as in the UK where the "Muslim Arbitration Tribunal' has been established.

They have the power to rule in civil cases and operate under the government 'Arbitration Act' and thus works within the framework of English law. Therefore it does not constitute a separate Islamic legal system at all. This would be a clear violation of the Establishment Clause here in America.

The British have found that the decisions of such Sharia courts are made behind closed doors and can be unfair to women and can be backed by intimidation and can be illegal under British law. (Remember the Muslim Arbitration Act is part of English law).

Mr MacEoin said: 'Among the rulings we find some that advise illegal actions and others that transgress human rights standards as applied by British courts.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lamic-justice-closed-doors.html#ixzz1GQYoDew9

If there are such 'Muslim-haters' in the U.S. they are a miniscule minority. Muslims are free to practice their religion here in the U.S.....but.....They are not free to establish their own State-sponsored law because that would be a violation of the Establishment Clause.

 

Really?! By any chance, can you provide us with a link to a video clip showing some bunch of murderous Christians cutting some Muslim's head off, or a clip showing a bunch of radical Christians throwing stones at somebody until they are DEAD?

I can sure as hell provide you with links to video clips showing what Muslims, who are merely practicing what they are taught by their clergy in their Sharia Law, do when they get the chance to punish "infidels" and sinners.

When we discovered oil under the desert wastes of the Middle East, we should have just paid their tribal leaders a lump-sum for it and let them go on living in their weird little 10th Century world, out in the sand dunes with the scorpions and spiders. At the same time we should have told these dangerous, murdering bastards to get out of our sight, and stay out, or, be shot on sight.

I wasn't brought up loathing and despising their religion, or those who practice it... it is an acquired taste, based on a lot of observation -- like by watching these creatures kill innocent men and women.

 

Being refused Communion is vastly different than the Church having the power to remove Kennedy from office.

Don't know the answer to that one as Kennedy is now 'room temperature'.....So...Kennedy breaks a main Church tenet, continues to break it and then expects the Pope to forgive him? Typical liberal if you ask me.

Come on now...We're talking about an ambassadorship here. Obama wanted to reward the Kennedy's for their support of him. It is amazing he would be so ignorant. Appointing her to an ambassador-ship to the Vatican is like appointing a Taliban supporter as ambassador to Israel.

You misunderstand, I am not here judge Muslims and either their support or non-support of Sharia law. I am saying that it runs afoul of the U.S. Constitution and is wholly inappropriate in America.

America is multi-ethinc in nature but, we are all Americans. Britain fancies themselves as 'multi-cultural' but is just now finding out what that truly means. Which is the dissolving of their legal system.

 

but what eactly DO you know about women in Islam?

If we rely on religious texts alone, women are far better off under Islam.

there is nothing inherent in the religion that makes it more acceptable for women to be beaten in Islam than in christianity.

If however we look at the fact that most Muslim societies are still relatively traditional, there are strong arguments to say that Muslim women have fallen behind.

However, Muslim feminists - and others - are certainly addressing these issues.

 

so, selected bites of informaion justifies demonising 1.4 billion people?

In that case, I wasn't brought up thinking right wing americans were the new version of national socialists.

but posts on this forum show that they are.

 

it is interesting that so many americans refuse to recognise what their own evangelists are doing in Africa. stirring up homophobia among christians in Uganda, Malawi, Kenya and other African countries is certainly a dangerous activity. but using that approach will also be transferred to other groups. what they don't realise is how religion is understood in more traditional tribal oriented societies.

they are playing with fire.

 

educate yourself.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news...k-Accusations-and-Denials-in-US-79853182.html

 

basing your understanding of Islam on what happens in a conflict zone would suggest that you are not really thinking objectively.

any more than I would be if I based my opinion of ALL americans on the bigots and fundamentalists that post on these forums.

WRT Darfur - does your brother ever tell you about the conflicts that exist between rebel groups?

http://www.sudantribune.com/South-Sudan-army-clashes-with,38227

there are a number of different tribes in the south sudan region - and not all see eye to eye. even though they now have independence from the North there is no guarantee that there will be peace.

can that be blamed on Islam?

 

all you are doing by claiming Obama is a marxist is demonstrating that you don't know what a marxist is.

don't you guys have social studies in junior high school?