"Poverty in America"... mostly rhetoric

There has never been any system of government, nor any system of society that prevented poverty for all its citizens/members for more than a short period of time IF THAT. Never, not one. People are not equal and can never be equal. Our system offers equality of opportunity. That is all that can be offered.
And such a system that did prevent the possibility of poverty would also prevent the possibility of greatness. It would never be more than mediocre and it would die a quick and deserved death..

 

Dying Detroit
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Does it offer equality of opportunity? Do you really think that in your system somebody who is born as the child of a black crack whore has equal opportunities to somebody who's born the child of a white multimillionaire?

Sorry Dan, but that's nonsense. To give you but one silly little example: cars commonly thought to be masterpieces of engineering were contrived and produced in the social market economy that has characterized Western Germany. And workers supported by strong unions were able to send their kids to university where they learned to build even better cars.
That system, that has served us fine in Germany, is in decline not because of the 'social' in it, but because it's been slowly killed off by the kind of predator-capitalism whose only interest is short-term profit at whatever human cost.

 

But we just get more empty Rhetoric
from our cast in stone Ideologues – That seems to be the best that they can do

I can agree – that there will always be those who Sweep the Floors and those who Design the Building
But any society that opens itself to & practices the exploitation & abuse of its weaker members,

That society is Corrupt, Evil & will not stand *

BullCrap ! Laughable
Tell that to those in Prep Schools with a silver spoon up their Ass

Tell that to those of the Working Poor who cannot afford to opt into
............................… the Voucher System for a decent Education

Tell it to someone who works 40hrs a week and can’t pay the rent *

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They seem totally UNAWARE
of the fast growing chasm between the Rich & Poor in this Nation
…...............................…. at a time of record Corporate Profits

They seem totally IGNORANT
of the fact that the Sheep have been fleeced by a Corrupt Corporate Elite

They seem totally OBLIVIOUS
of the fact that Middle Class America has been cruelly betrayed and
is now being Impoverished by a Greedy Criminal Plutocracy

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“Conservatives are fond of telling us what a wonderful,
happy, prosperous nation this is. The only thing that matches their love of
Country is the remarkable indifference they show toward the people who live
in it. To their ears the anguished cries of the dispossessed sound like the
peevish whines of malcontents. They denounce as "bleeding hearts" those of
us who criticize existing conditions, who show some concern for our fellow
citizens. But the dirty truth is that there exists a startling amount of
hardship, abuse, affliction, illness, violence, and pathology in this country.
The figures reveal a casualty list that runs into many millions." Micheal Parenti




2011 Executive Paywatch
http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/


NO JOB SHOULD EXIST THAT DOES NOT PAY A LIVING WAGE



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Child Poverty in US Approaches 25%:

& The Hidden America

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article28470.htm


It would be nice if FatCat Bastards would Deal with the Problem
Instead of Dodging - IGNORING - & trying to Justify themselves



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpS_eJkkAxc"]‪Child Poverty Has Risen to 16 Million in the United States of America‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]​

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Stop reading statistics. Get into your car and drive into our inner cities or into our rural areas. If you think these people are doing well then you need to have your head examined by a professional.

 

You're kidding, right? The right-wing would never go anywhere near a poor neighbourhood for a couple of reasons; fear of getting their tyres dirty, and fear of reality slapping their cosy capitalist stars and stripes dream in the face.

Furthermore, I don't how a census works in America, but here in Britain statistics are only as valid as the accuracy of the information given by responders.
If they don't respond they aren't a statistic. It would be interesting to know if there is a statistic for the number of non-responders among poor neighbourhoods...

 

I agree. That is what the problem is with some of the most prolific posters on this forum. How can you even begin to have a robust debate about right wing vs left wing solutions to poverty when you have some right wingers on here denying that there even is poverty. Its just such a bizarre opinion. And as I've posted elsewhere no one in real life speaks this way.

On one thread you have the majority of the top ten PoliticalForum.com posters claiming 250K is poverty. A couple of threads later a family of four living on $20K is rich. There is no consistency. Its just random self contradictory incoherent statements tossed out on the internet in a haphazard fashion.

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I couldn't agree with you more ,and people who always (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and complain that we as Americans are in poverty has never been to a third world country. Go through the streets of Iraq and you will see what real poverty is.

 

It has already been explained what relative poverty is. Comparing Iraq to America is pointless.
A Chinese factory worker may be poor by US standards, but in China he's relatively well-off.

 

How is it pointless? We are quite frankly spoiled here in America compared to most of the world.

 

So I guess the ultra-spoiled people bringing in 250k a year can afford to pay a bit more in taxes then?

 

Do both have an equal opportunity? YES they do. Do each have an equal chance? NO. And there is no way to make that equal, EVER. Both also have an equal opportunity to become crack heads and die young. Who has the better chance of that happening?

And since I have owned a factory in Germany, producing a product superior to what was produced here, [and selling here for nearly twice as much] I do have a bit of an inkling about Germany. And the issue is poverty. There is no poverty in Germany? Since when?
And German business people, perhaps unbeknownst to you, have been rabidly capitalist since WWII ended. Government and business ARE not the same entities.

 

What does that have to do with anything? And no I believe if you go out an earn a good living then you shouldn't be penalized for it to pay for our " people in poverty."

 

Ok. So you agree that the ultra-spoiled $250K a year people can afford to pay more in taxes. You just think they shouldn't. That's fine. At least you're being honest. That's at least a jumping off point for a serious discussion. I can respect that. I don't agree with it. But I can respect it.

 

Human Beings are social animals & YOU are a member of a Society
& in order for a Society to function as a CIVILization it must maintain
........................................ a Physical & a Social Infrastructure

That means you shut the F*CK up and you pay your Taxes
Taxes are an Obligation that you as a member are Required to pay
If you don’t like it go to Hell - or some God Forsaken Desert somewhere

And when your Society Screws UP and allows its Intestinal Worms
.............. to exploit your weaker members, and throw them into Poverty

Then you reform that system and you look after and assist those who have been Abused

OR YOU ACCOUNT YOURSELF ONE OF THOSE A PARASITIC INTESTINAL WORMS
& you feed that Insatiable Greed of yours, until you & your Society DIES.

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The Gross Poverty with which we have to do, has been created by
a Corporate driven Economy that has been allowed to become Corrupt

It has Co-Opted our Government -
It has become a government OF, FOR, & BY the Corporations
........................................................ It is not your friend

Unless of coarse YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE INTESTINAL WORMS

People's Protest: DC's Freedom Plaza on October 6th

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Sorry,to spoil your attempts at spiltting hairs, but of course they neither have equal opportunity nor equal chances.

That's why it is so important for society to develop educational programms to level the playing field a bit.

If you read my posts thoroughly you'll see that I'm not even in disagreement.

Fact is that poverty has become less of a problem with growing prosperity in a system that still had social concerns, be it because politicians did it because they wanted to counter a perceived threat from "Socialism" as has happened when Bismarck introduced something resembling social security or throughout the cold war when it was still important to capitalistic governments that people fared better in their system than in the other or be it because society had genuine concerns for social justice.
Fact is also that this trend is about to be reversed now that the socialistic counterbalance is gone and Governments have succumbed entirely to the corporation's blackmail. Predator-capitalism feeds on poverty.

On hearing that you own a business just as I do I hope that just as I do you still have to look your employees who help you run your company into the eyes when you fire them or cut their benefits. It certainly helps to bring one's own capitalistic greed into perspective.

 

For what it's worth, I think the CATO Institute is a better source among conservatives. They're more consistently in support of smaller government.

 

"We hold thse truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

What Absurdity !
…....... Ridiculous - what a Futile exercise in Puerile Semantic Contortions
...How Ludicrous - He stands on his head to Justify a System of Inequity

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dude lay off the crayons and kindergarten formatting. you remind me of my son when he got his first ever box of crayons. i have no idea if youre intelligent because i cant read your posts without my eyes filling with blood. its not often i find text offensive because of its container and not its content.

 

I am trying to slack off on the colors - its difficult
& They are Pentells not crayons -
My advice - Place me on IGNORE

 

so you want the body of people that cant figure out how to improve their own situation to have control over my situation? just what kind of control do you want these people to have over society? they can vote same as me, thats enough. im sympathetic to those that strive to improve themselves but cant make any progress because of social roadblocks... but ill be (*)(*)(*)(*)ed if im gonna be sympathetic to the whole body of poor simply because they are poor.

i dont hate anyone. i certainly dont view myself as above or better than the peasants as you call them. however, im not wanting to give control of society over to the very people that have shown that they either dont have the motivation to improve or lack the desire to learn what is needed to make such improvements. call me calloused i dont care.

 

its of course, not of coarse... spend more time reading a dictionary and less time coloring your posts.

 

Thanx – for the Valid criticism BUT shove the Snide remark up your NOSE
English is my 3rd & most recent Language - I will use any help I can get

 

this is absolutely what it would look like if you dropped a box full of finger paints from a tall building