Palestine: the world's next recognized nation

So its crass stupity that Hamas, the authority in Gaza, does not want to the UN to recognise Palestine.... I agree.

 

Palestine, ye right.
UN has declared it once in 1947, the local Arabs refused it.
Now they even fail to agree who is leading them.
What Palestine ? The Gaza strip Palestine or the west bank Palestine ?
The Palestinians needs to get their act together before they can ask recongition as an entity.

 

Senior Hamas leader says armed resistance best way to fight Israeli occupation

By Associated Press, Updated: Sunday, June 19, 5:00 PM

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — A senior leader of the Gaza Strip’s ruling Hamas movement says armed resistance is the “most effective” way to fight the Israelis, and that Palestinian plans to ask the U.N. to recognize their independence are a waste of time.

Khalil al-Hayya says the Palestinian Authority’s efforts to persuade the United Nations to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state are a “mirage.”

His remarks, communicated by his office Sunday, reflect the tensions between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority’s dominant Fatah movement as the rival factions try to form a unity government.

The head of the Palestinian Authority, President Mahmoud Abbas, is pursuing statehood at the U.N. because negotiations with Israel have been stalled for 2 1/2 years.

Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

 

Israel 'ready to negotiate borders with Palestinians'

Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, has bowed to US pressure by agreeing for the first time that a Palestinian state should roughly follow the contours of the 1967 ceasefire lines separating the West Bank from Israel.

Benjamin Netanyahu and a masked Palestinian youth standing on top of a demolished building waves in the West Bank

By Adrian Blomfield

9:31PM BST 01 Aug 2011

The offer, which emerged tonight appeared to represent a major climb-down by Mr Netanyahu, who has consistently refused to discuss specific borders of a future state.

A government official in Jerusalem told The Daily Telegraph the offer was dependent on the Palestinians dropping their campaign for statehood at the United Nations next month and accepting Israel as a Jewish state.

The offer appears to cross Palestinian red lines, and it seemed likely to be rejected — although the onus is now likely to be placed on the Palestinians to present a counter offer.

Mr Netanyahu reacted angrily when the 1967 proposal was made by Barack Obama in May but was now said to be offering to trade Israeli territory on its side of the line for West Bank land where its main settlements were located.

“We are willing in a framework of restarting the peace talks to accept a proposal that would contain elements that would be difficult for Israel and we would find very difficult to endorse,” said an official, answering a question about the Obama proposal.

The Palestinians said they had not received a proposal from Israel.

They have demanded that Israel stop construction in its West Bank settlements and east Jerusalem before peace talks resume. Mr Netanyahu was said to have wanted talks with no preconditions where issues such as settlements and borders would be discussed.

The ceasefire line dates from June 1967, when Israel captured the West Bank, Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem.

So if Hamas can grow up perhaps this might move forward.....

 

Yeah, we've seen these farcical Israeli 'peace proposals' many times. I wonder how many pre-conditions will be included this time.
The Zionist-dominated Knesset will never permit either the ceasing of 'settlement' building nor the removal of existing Zionist squats from Palestinian territory. It is entirely counter to their political ideology and game-plan for Eretz Israel.

 

What Palestine? The West Bank and East Jerusalem.

The Golan would be returned to Syria and Shaaba Farms to Lebanon.

But for the life of me I don't understand why any US president would bother with them..

The Israelis have sandbagged every US president seeking peace in Palestine since Eisenhower.

 

how about; the congress is what screwed the president....?

ie... they can be bought far easier

 

Congress is all about AIPAC money.. They don't matter in this situation.

I think every president should simply refuse to talk with Israel... Look how often over the years the Israelis have made fools of US presidents seeking peace.

 

Are you consciously offering this deceit or is it that you simply don't understand the essence of Resolution 181 ? The Palestinians did not refuse a Palestinian State. They simply refused to agree to a Zionist State being imposed upon their country. A robber who demands half the contents of your wallet cannot claim that you relinquished ownership of all of your cash when you refused to give him 50% of it.

 

he can if he has a gun and everyone else walks blindly by. welcome to life in the ghetto on a world scale.

 

Of course in this case the UN resolution ruled that there was no robber or robbery involved and the division of the disputed wallet was equitable, fair and just to both parties. Under the circumstances the real robber is the one who does not accept the decision of the judges and violently attacks the opponent in an attempt to capture the share awarded to that opponent by the court.

 

Isn't "*******" your usual preferred racist epithet?

 

No way the Arabs will allow Palestine to be named in name alone, even. The Arabs have an interest in keeping the status quo.

 

interesting first post.

An anology that is heart felt; the man with the gun takes control of the neighborhood when none will effectly protect the innocent.

I like it, know it and comprehend the post.

Palestinians are human beings and screw the bigots.

i know, the neighborhood (ghetto) quite well and them few who are actually living within are still people who are capable, no matter how big the weapons of the selfish are.

 

quite the opposite. The bigots feed on the divide. kind of like the dope dealer feeds on the needy and imbalanced.

From arms deals to twisting the minds of the buyers. The beast is found in them profitting from the oppression.

 

the UN agreed the occupiers have no right to control the city of jeruselem and the world agrees the pre-67' lines are the ONLY lines that will be approved.

i can agree on that. Israel is not happy the judge (UN) is turning them back and requiring the lands returned to palestinians.

ie..... jeruselem will be the capital of palestine, legally, before israel's and the bigots dont like it.

 

The arab world, and others, rejected the imposition of a Zionist State upon Palestine and claimed- correctly- that such a solution did not conform to the terms of the British responsibilities for Palestine under its Mandate. Resolution 181 received a majority approval, it's true, but even the British abstained from endorsing it. Nevertheless, no States were declared following RES. - not arab, not Zionist. The Zionists did not declare Statehood- unilaterally- until their war of occupation had seized vast tracts if Palestine which were designated Palestinian under Res. 181. So, whichever way you attempt to cut it, the State of Israel as we know it today is illegitimate in legal terms, with undefined legal borders, illegally occupied territory and is also in breach of the legitimizing Resolution , RES. 194, the terms of which must be complied with in order to legitimize Israel. One of those terms is the return of the Palestinian refugees whom the Zionist terror gangs forced out.
In short, the mugger's claim to the wallet is an ambiguous punt which will be rejected as soon as the issue is permitted to be determined by an international court. The US, as everybody knows, has prevented that judgement from taking place by means of its SC veto. That situation will not last forever. The Zionists' occupation of Palestine is temporary.

 

I love the way you Skewer these guys
& effectively rip away their cheap Facade
.... with startlingly appropriate Metaphor

 

I hope this will not result in the forced removal of israeli settlers.

 

Sorry, but the luck of understanding is yours.
You talk about resolution 181 which the Palestinians rejected and the Jews accepted. The Palestinians with the help of 7 Arab armies invaded Israel to destroy it, ending losing the war. In the last 65 years they failed to accept this result.
The sooner they learn to be responsible for their actions, the sooner they will have their state.

In addition, claiming the land of Israel belonged to the Palestinians is a huge lie. They had never ruled that country, the Turks ruled it.
In addition Jews lived in this country just like the Palestinians. The last time someone counted the inhabitance when the Turks ruled, there were more Jews in Jerusalem than Arabs by far.

 

Sorry but invoking ancient history in order to 'prove' who was where, and when, first is a poor defense. We are talking about AD2011, not AD11.

 

The Palestinians have openly stated, officially, that any squatter who wishes to remain within the Palestinian State can adopt Palestinian nationality. Sorted.

 

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A Freudian slip mayhap ?
Methinks the “moon’s” understanding is based on Fact rather than luck
…….................... sorry for the cheap shot, I couldn’t resist

Not at all - The Lie is rather on the other side of the Leger

The Palestinian’s claim to Land in the Southern Levant,
IS the claim of the Arabic Indigenous people of that Land
People who have lived on & occupied that Land for centuries

That claim was recognized by the Turks who taxed them accordingly

The first widespread use of "Palestinian" as an endonym to refer to the
nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of the Levant,
began prior to the outbreak of World War I

They allied with the British who promised them independence following the War
They were cruelly betrayed by their duplicitous British Allies who sought to extend
their own Occupation through the Illegitimate Dictates of "San Remo" April 1920
.........................,,,,,.................................. by establishing the Palestine Mandate

Thus did they recognized by name, a Legitimate Palestinian entity



& following this British Betrayal ,
the Palestinians made formal & Legitimate claim to that Land
and made Legitimate demand for National Independence as Palestinians
at the Syrian-Palestinian Congress of 21 September 1921





Further
Though there was a majority of Jews living in Jerusalem at the time
of recent Turkish occupation, they as a whole, made up only
a mere 10% of the total population of the Southern Levant

Hardly enough to make any Legitimate Claims or Demands . to the whole of it,
....................................................... as they seem want to do at Present


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Do you got a source for that?

 

Do you have a source for that?