Ron Paul - our next John McCain only worse

This is all I can summon to respond to this:

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Gary Johnson, the former governor of New Mexico, is also a true conservative but doesn't have the poll numbers to gain attention and the media ignores him.

 

Don't worry, buddy. Ron Paul destroyed his campaign the moment that he said in the debates that Iran deserves to have nuclear weapons. He's no John McCain. More like a Ralph Nader. He's there to break up the GOP votes, nothing more, nothing less.

 

perhaps you should come back when you have something educated to say.

 

I didn't actually hear this remark but there is some logic to it. If a nation is threatened by a nation with nuclear weapons then it has a logical reason for developing them.

Israel presents a creditable threat to Iran and Israel has nuclear weapons. The very existance of nuclear weapons by Israel and its demonstated willingness to use its military as a first strike force which violates the sovereign rights of other nations provides a rationale for the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East.

We cannot ignore that Israel is a rogue nuclear weapons state and then impose sanctions on Iran related to nuclear weapons that we know it doesn't even have.

 

This is so stupid. Israel is perhaps the most moral country in the world today. I cannot imagine how they've shown so much restraint in the face of such hostility and terrorism. And yet, people consider they a threat? It's mind boggling.

 

Oh crap, a mindless neo-con.
Might as well be a mindless "progressive".
No difference.

 

Paul is doing nothing more than extending the very freedoms that we hold dear.

 

who retired at 42, I have to rethink my ideals. I still think that Ron Paul is way too idealistic with his prior comments about abolition of the IRS, elimination of foreign military bases, elimination of the federal reserve and a multitude of other subjects. However, what do I care any more? The political morons in charge can raise the taxes to 99.99999% for all I care. The only thing that would affect me is a wealth tax and I KNOW the corrupt trust fund criminal politicians will NOT do that and if they do I'm so way down the list that I won't be affected other than with a value added tax (VAT). Thus, time to stop "hedging" about statistically stacking the deck with a vote for Romney. Ideally, I would vote for Gary Johnson due to his less religious stance on abortion, however, I'll give Paul a pass since he was a physician and got to see the gruesome details. Next week, I'm going to check to see if I am actually registered as a Republican and then I am going to vote for Paul in the NJ R primary in 2012. I liked his speech on CSPAN on 8-19-2011.

 

Yes. Remove his fiscal beliefs, and he's practically Howard Zinn. He's an isolationist (about seventy years after that philosophy was thoroughly discredited) who cheers on Iran in it's quest for a nuclear bomb and he really believes if we just "mind our own business" everyone will like us and the world will see peace and prosperity break out all over.

Frankly, he dangerously naive.

 

Is that so? I didn't realize that Israel had "threatened" Iran. I thought is was that little nut job Ahmendinejad who threatened to wipe Israel "off the map".
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html

How? By it's mere existence? All of Israel's military actions have been of a defensive measure and a nation that is absolutely surrounded by cut throats is hardly a threat to Iran. You are dreaming, or smoking, or drinking something or other.

Pure road apples. This comes from an alternate reality.

This draws a retarded moral equivalency between Iran and Israel.

 

Neither one are stellar candidates in and of themselves.

 

I can play the generalizing ass game to!
All Christian conservatives who support Israel only do it because a modern state of Israel has to exist for the rapture to occur and for all the good little Christians to go to heaven (and leave everyone else behind of course).

 

Bush allowed NK to get nukes.... much worse imo...

Israel will make sure iran either doesn`t get nukes or never successfully uses them.

 

You and me both, dudeman. I've been watching this mess unfold since the Vietnam era. I have signed up to campaign for Ron Paul. The Texas congressmen down here are scared to death of Ron Paul, they KNOW what Perry is all about, they WANT the same ol same ol "business as usual" in Washington. ...and this is the FIRST TIME in my life I have donated to a campaign. The only reason Perry mentioned the Federal REserve is because Ron Paul has been cautioning us about it for years...Ron Paul was the only one with the guts to address the General Counsel of the Fed, asking them why 88% of the bailout or stimulus money went to foreign banks instead of the citizens it was SUPPOSED to have helped, Feds said they LOANED the money to the foreign banks because they wanted to come over here and do business...and if ya believe that, I have some ocean front property in Arizona..this is public info, folks, C-Span. ...and as far as being old, I would rather have old than charisma any day. Look where that got us last time.

 

I'll never understand the playground response. "Well Bush did something worse!." I'll never get it. Chalk it up to immaturity I guess.

Ron Paul is a nut. He's the only guy that would tempt me to vote democrat if he was the nominee. He's crazy. Wimpy. Goofy. Etc.

 

But in general, christians don't believe this. It's a small group that does, in a vast range of theological eschatological positions. The truth is, people back Israel because they are a good nation and deserve backing. The are the most patient and moral nation of our time. Their restraint is incredible in view of the terrorism they've faced. If Israel behaved like Iran or NK, you'd see conservatives flee them.

 

If one actually follows the statements made by Ahmendinejad his condemnation is for actions of the Zionists that control Israel. He has never threatened an attack of Israel by Iran but instead has repeatedly stated that the tyrannical actions of the Zionists must come to an end and that they will eventually come to an end. He sees this as an inevitable event and has never proposed an Iranian attack against Israel.

Israel has threatened attacks against Iran in the past when it uses the term "all options" as in the following.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,133899,00.html

Of course Israel, as a rogue nuclear weapons nation that refuses to join the NPT has absolutely no say in whether another nation produces nuclear weapons or not. Of interest Iran has long proposed that it will submit to any inspections that Israel will submit to related to it's nuclear energy program where the IAEA has no evidence that Iran is actually attempting to produce a nuclear weapon. If Israel wants the Middle East to be free of nuclear weapons then it must join the NPT and dismantle it's nuclear weapons.

We can start with the Israeli Declaration of Independence which, similar to the US Declaration of Independence, was a declaration of war. Israel started the Arab-Israeli War of 1948-49. We can add to that the 1967 Six Day War which was an offensive military action against Egypt, Jordan and Syria that had made no attempt to invade Israel. According the Moshe Dayan the Israelis were provoking the Syrians to create a reason for launching an offensive war of territorial acquisition in 1967. Moshe Dayan was the commander on the front lines against Syria and his statements on this are beyond dispute. The Six Day War was an offensive military action by Israel to secure territory. We can go on to the repeated invasions by Israel of Lebanon all of which Israel initiated.

The possession of nuclear weapons by Israel provides justification for the production of nuclear weapons by nations that are threated by Israel.

True, Israel has invaded lands to acquire territory but Iran never has. While Iran is tyrannical in many of its actions it doesn't compare to the tyranny of the racist apartheid Zionist State of Israel that is engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Add to this that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons and Israel does.

While both nations are worthy of condemnation Israel certainly ranks higher on the tyranny scale. It was a nation established by terrorism and has remained tyrannical for over 60 years and that is a record that Iran cannot match.

 

"If one actually follows the statements made by Ahmendinejad his condemnation is for actions of the Zionists that control Israel. He has never threatened an attack of Israel by Iran but instead has repeatedly stated that the tyrannical actions of the Zionists must come to an end and that they will eventually come to an end. He sees this as an inevitable event and has never proposed an Iranian attack against Israel." Shiva

It should be required viewing for all people to view the speech in entirety. I actually agree with Ahmadinejad. The "wipe Israel off the face of the map" battle cry was completely distorted. He was speaking from a historical perspective about the political decision by the USA and UK to relocate Jews to the Middle East as opposed to sending them elsewhere (i.e. he proposed Alaska or Europe). The conceptual argument was that if Germany (i.e. Europe) was responsible for the holocaust, why did the Middle East have to pay for it by accepting the refugees? Thus, "Israel should be wiped off the face of the map" philosophically meant that the creation of Israel in Palestine should have never occurred and that the historical decision was flawed. A very fair statement distorted into a battle cry by USA and Israeli zealots. On the other hand, one could view Iran's role in Iraq and Afghanistan similar to the USA's role in Afghanistan in the 1980's during the Soviet occupation. Thus, Iran should still be viewed as hostile to the USA.