Best video of kids reciting the pledge of allegiance EVER: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2BfqDUPL1I&feature=player_embedded"]The Whitest Kids 'U Know - Pledge of Allegiance - YouTube[/ame][/QUOTE]
You are correct, but in this case what I favor is human life over symbols and peace over battle for the sake of protecting a symbol.
There is nothing about it that gives it inherent authority. I don't see that as any different than putting one's hand on the Bible and swearing to tell the truth.
An idolatrous "Christian" nation that puts symbols and ground before human lives. American Christian warmongers are not better than their warmongering Muslim counterparts.
[/QUOTE] Send the little twits to some 3rd-world dictator-run country where they will be doing more than pledging.
Liberals are a cancer to this nation....Bottom Line. I put them in the same catagory with Islamic extreamist and Atheiast.
I don't disagree just to disagree. I disagree because you're wrong. America is not a Christian nation. It's a nation made of of many people, many of which happen to be Christian. To say otherwise is an absurdly ignorant denial of history.
There is a huge difference between venerating the flag and pledging allegiance to it (the way I learned it in the early 1950's), and placing ones hand on the bible. I have served in court many times as a witness and juror I have NEVER placed my hand on the bible, I am not Christian, I simply pledge on my honor to tell the truth. The pledge of allegiance is a pledge to honor my nation, swearing on a bible is religious nonsense.
Is it an oath? The New Testament tells us quite clearly 'swear not at all', so it is clearly an oath imposed by anti-Christian forces, American fundamentalists probably. The trouble is that American justice takes so long unless you are very rich, but you are evidently right.
The Majority Rules.... Examples: If the majority were Jews - It would be reconized as a Jewish Country. If the majority were Muslims - It would be reconized as an Islamic Country. If the majority were Orientals - It would be reconized as a Budism Country. If the majority were Athaiest - BLANK So understand this genious..The USA is mainly Christians - So it is reconized as a Christian Country. With other religions within it, being annoying.
The majority is manifestly NOT Christian, since they never act in the Christian ways suggested in the New Testament. All they believe in is money, so yours is a Money-Grubbing country worshipping, presumably, Mammon.
But the fact that a majority of Americans happen to cohere to one form of Christianity or another does not speak to the United States of America being a Christian state. Rather, the United States is a democratic Republic (albeit, unfortunately, only nominally so). The US Constitution states absolutely nothing to the effect of "The United States is a Christian nation." Too, the words "God, Jesus, Christianity, Bible, etc., are not mentioned in any portion of the Constitution. Again, of the seven individuals who are commonly recognized as having been this nation's founders, only John Jay adhered to Christianity. The balance of these men were deists. Yes, John Adams was a Unitarian Universalist and Thomas Jefferson often spoke very highly of Unitarian Universalism (believing that the Unitarian Universalist understanding of Jesus Christ to be quite compatible with that of his own understanding), but these things do not infer that either John Adams or Thomas Jefferson were Christians or even religious. For, I too happen to be a Unitarian Universalist as well as a lifelong atheist, and there are many other atheist Unitarian Universalits. It is also the case that many of America's founders spoke and wrote of "God," but never did they denote a biblical god. Instead, they spoke and wrote of the God of Nature all the while acknowledging the past existence of Jesus Christ but only while lauding his gentle teachings which, to me and with all due respect to this forum's Christians, stood in sharp contrast to the teachings of most modern-day manifestations of Christianity. So too is it the case that all of the founders, save for John Jay, rejected the notion of Christ's sacredness; believing him to have been but a mortal man. Indeed, with Christian revisionism notwithstanding, the United States of America is anything but a Christian nation. Yours. GM
The MAJORITY of Americans just happen to believe in Judeo-Christian morals and values. Our constitution and our laws are based on that foundation. In that way America is a Christian nation however, the Establishment Clause forbids the setting up of a State church. Morals and values a basic principles are NOT a religion or a church.
Judeo-Christian is presumably the system that cuts out Christianity. I can't see that many Americans believe in - or have ever read - the Sermon on the Mount, for instance.
Don't judge a book by it's cover. There are those many that will be heard, and seen, and ruin things. But there is a majority of common sence, and good people that eventually prevail. And those majority comeing from the Christian Faith. Awesome Fact.
Arty, The entire pledge thing is all passe anyway. No one really believes it anymore. "One nation under god", "all men are created equal", "life, liberty, etc"....these are pure unadulterated BS statements that have no meaning.
Judeo-Christian morals and values to be exact. This lies at the foundation of America and on which its Constitution and laws are based. Within the framework, there is freedom of religion so, Christianity is not 'cut out' of society nor is Islam, Buddism, Judiasm etc. One is free to worship the religion of one's choice or no religion at all. Those trying to say the uttering 'under God' is counter to the Establishment clause are either grossly ignorant or are trying to undermine the foundation that our society is based upon.
Arty, Yukon is wrong, thank God you live in the US where you can exercise your dissent and not be shot in the head. It is exactly BECAUSE our nation is 'under GOD' that we don't have a God-Emperor and the main reason why places like Canada can have folks the spout such garbage about America.
You mean Jewish morals then, or, more specifically, the morals of the pharisees? Just as long as you don't pretend to be Christian, be as 'religious' as you choose, and - if you can - even display some of that tolerance you claim, which so far is always there except when it's needed.
