An example of why the wealth gap will continue to widen

For some reason, when the government takes money and personal savings from successful working Americans by forcing them to pay higher and higher taxes, in the mind of a liberal this somehow is not "theft"!



Excessively sweet union contracts, open borders, unlimited welfare benefits, involuntary income redistribution and free broadband service courtesy of the liberal Democrats! ... Socialism is theft! Pure and Simple!

 

Ahh! I see why you provided the picture. I wonder if they'll get it now.

 

Still, the left vs right BS.

For the American left, those who push American "socialism" have no intent of ever having workers control the means of production, which was the ideology. They are statist mafioso's, who will let the super wealthy do whatever they want so long as the state gets its "protection" money.

For the American right, globalism is nothing more than socialism on a global scale. Supporting globalism is nothing more than being against socialism in your home state but being for it on a federal level. I know it is fun being able to buy politicians and do whatever you want, but as soon as a global government comes you will not only have destroyed your home market but those same mafioso's will have you by the balls globally. It will no longer be paying to do whatever you want, but paying almost everything you make just to not have to schlub at the bottom with the rest of us.

 

You must be so noble to not have a horse in this race. We should all bow before your "independent" stance.

Neither did any socialist system. This isn't hard to figure out.

Oh, I see. Bush was a globalist so therefore conservatives must believe in globalism.

The only problem is that we defy NAFTA and don't want superhighways that invade our borders or mexican truck drivers coming into this country. You make the common mistake of confusing the global economy with globalism. They're not the same. Being able to trade and invest on a world scale does not in itself erode the sovereignty and borders of a nation. NAFTA does. In fact, NAFTA is unpopular on both the right and the left, proving that the globalists of both parties are able to push through an agenda that everyone hates.

 

Neocons are as globalist as any leftist. If you are a paleocon than I salute you. And would buy you a beer if I could.

 

Then welcome to the Ron Paul revolution. We are making a significant bid to rid the Republican Party and the conservative movement of neocon statists. There is a battle going on for the soul of conservatism. Pray that we prevail.

 

I'm with you brother. I work all the time, but I'm on here talking crap to the fakes as much as possible.

 

You know what they say about making assumptions *tsk, tsk, tsk*

I'm not a socialist, I'm a mutualist, an ideology I doubt you're familiar with, look it up, educate yourself.

Taking from those who've exploited the lower classes from which the wealthy gained their wealth is perfectly justified "theft" in my opinion.

Until everyone has equal opportunity to access means of production (which they presently do not) in order to make their own wealth, I support wealth redistribution.

That in no way means I'm socialist. I see wealth redistribution as a means to correct the flawed, exploitative system presently in place that I have inherited.

Not that you care or have a real interest in new ideas.

[INSERT partisan gibberish here.]

 

Amen to that!!

 

I know you're smart Johnny-C, and I'm sure you are as well sunkissed. The problem is globalists. They have tainted free market and redistribution, and I fear when anyone claims they support either without hearing them acknowledge the problem, you will just be giving them more power. Wealth redistribution is exactly what's going on right now, to Chinese workers. Global market socialists think Americans are rich enough, and are helping to make the workers lives even harder here. I just hope you all are going above and beyond the MSM rhetoric to understand what's going on and the things that are at stake.

 

I know that the "world economy" is no friend of our living standard here in America; I figured that out as a kid.

What I think MUST happen, is that the American people MUST get a hold of POLICY (trade deals particularly), so that they are written more in-favor of the working men and women of America.

You aren't wrong overall about what you are saying. And the main reason I'm at odds with most "Conservatives", is that they believe/imagine than the corporations will regulate themselves (as if they can't see the reality that CORPORATIONS do not care about PEOPLE). I realize there are problems on ALL sides of politics, but I see the "Progressives" as the lesser-of-evils.

 

There is no "lesser-of-two-evils" bud. There is only 2-headed one evil. "Progressives" are as globalist as neocons. They all support globalism. They all support the FED. Every other problem is NOTHING. I have said it before and I'll say it again...

You could tax the rich 100% or eliminate the federal government completely, the American standard of living will still die. All that generation, after generation, has built will die.

When we eliminate the FED and free trade with developing nations, I'm not against with those with same standard of living, we can work out the dynamics of the rest. But I assure you, with protectionism back, all the people the "progressives" use to get elected will disappear overnight. They will be back to work, or reopening shops, and have a positive life worth living.

 

Nah sounds too dull. I say Nuclear Holocaust then we can stop complaining about politics all day.

 

Well, I'm not going to loose ALL faith in the Government (despite its flaws); it is NOT ALL "evil". (Of course, some literally seek to believe that.) I would agree that everyone (all citizens) have to work to make things better; we'll never get around having to do that, no matter what system is in place.

 

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test

You should take this test. I got Economic Left/Right: -6.38 Social
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.74. Doesn't mean my answer is the right one but neither does yours. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhwhMXOxHTg"]NAFTA: Ross Perot and Al Gore Debate 1993 - YouTube[/ame]

Is Ross Perot a leftie because he disagree on some of NAFTA and you love it? How is it economic collectivism? Free Trade = Free Labor then. I'm more for Fair Trade because then both parties win, because their wages will stay afloat. One nation will not be over control of the other nation. I'm more of a Libertarian Socialist. Look it up, its a quite interesting Political Ideology. It isn't full blown Right/Left. It takes the best of both worlds into one I think.

 

To all the anti-globalization/minarcholibertarians and other ignorant fools who think that American just withdraw from the world economy and engage in a massive trade war with whoever we want, and engage in "non-interventionist" policy.. I"m going to say this.

It's a choice between

A)American Economic Imperialsm

or

B)Subsistence as a Chinese vassal state.

I know which one I want, and it's not B.

 

Read the link in my sig. See how you have been duped. Free trade doesn't have a patent on global trade. You are destroying YOUR nation. If you don't read the article, written by Reagan's own economic adviser, than I say you are a coward.

 

Whatever man, no I'm not.

It's you who is trying to keep your own extinct brand of conservatism relevant in a changing world.

Oursourcing our dirty industry was the best thing we ever did for this country. Instead why don't you concentrate on education reforms and attempts to bring America up to the world educational standards instead of trying to stagnate our economy with your stupid conspiracy theories.

America exports twice as much intellectual property as it imports. Our future is with the brain, not the back.

 

Good god man. You would seriously watch America tank over admitting you were wrong? Sad, to say the least.

 

So by your logic everyone has to either be a doctor, scientist, egineer, lawyer, CEO. If not they don't deserve a real job. but instead making min wage for the rest of their lives.

Your love for the rich is pathetic. As a matter of fact your entire opinion on the economy and jobs is beyond pathetic. You spew the stupidest (*)(*)(*)(*) and actually believe it. Like it or not we are a collective nation, not a free for all. Thats a fact and you can take that to bank!

 

America will tank if we engage in protectism, guaranteed. I'm not paying 3-4 times as much for my consumer goods. I want what every other consumer in America wants. Rock bottom low prices and I don't care if a Chinaman makes it or an American.

 

I'm no collectivist Montoya, but I will say this. We haven't begun to see the effects of their plans. Their new push is to devalue the dollar to make it more "competitive", and for Americans to work for 12 dollars a day to "bring the jobs back". There is no evil like that of the camp he supports. It is time for all to start the whispers of fighting to those you know in real life. They shoved free trade down our throats which the majority didn't want, and they will this as well, regardless who is in power. Whether at your job or dinner table, it is time to get people ready.

 

Wtf Is "they"?? DEFINE THEY, AS IN SPECIFIC NAMES AND PEOPLE AND NOT SOME AMORPHOUS RED HERRING CALLED "GLOBALISTS" OR "THE RICH"

 

You've chosen your side. You are "they".

 

Just as I thought.

Conspiracy...