Why are so many Christians against enviromental protection?

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  1. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, I do not believe global warming is a cult. I believe the idea that man caused it or can fix it is simply hubris and I believe the folk clinging to the idea behave exactly like the religious do in any faith.THEY are the cult...And, finally, I believe the folk who scream 'science' the loudest are in one of two groups, the parrots who repeat the ideas handed them by other folk who pretend to understand the science, or folk with an understanding of the science about as in depth as a High School teachers grasp of the ideas of Stephen Hawkings. It is a pretense and conceit, not understanding. It is taken on faith exactly like the tenets of any other religion.
     
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    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The cafeteria churches perhaps.
     
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    I'm amazed at the confidence you have in this so called overwhelming scientific evidence you cite. Do you base this on the poll that determined that 97% of scientist believe that AGW is real? That has been quoted so many times it's mind boggling. Even more so when you take the time to learn who conducted the poll and how it was conducted. When you figure out the specifics behind this "consensus" you will see that science had nothing to do with the poll. By the way consensus science is not part of the tradition of good solid science. It's anti-science as a matter of fact.

    There hasn't been a more serious attack against the scientific method since the enlightenment than the one being perpetrated by the AGW "team." It is astonishing in it's scope and treachery.

    The shameless attack against a recently peer reveiwed paper by Roy W. Spencer 1,* and William D. Braswell which cast serious doubts on the IPCC's conclusions concerning global warming mechanisms by the "team" being just the latest example of the lengths that the team will stoop to destroy science and perpetuate their fraudulent theories. It's a sad era for those who truly love science but not for the reasons you have been brainwashed to believe.
     
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    Try google. ;)

    Anglican, UCC, ELCA, United Methodist, to name a few.
     
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    countryboy Well-Known Member

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    What is a cafeteria church?
     
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    Some American Christians might reject signing the Kyoto protocol. But apparently most Christians do not. Quite the contrary: The World Council of Churches has even written a letter to Kofi Annan concerning the matter:
    http://www.oikoumene.org/en/resourc...s/climate-change/letter-to-he-kofi-annan.html

    General Secretary
     
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    You have set up a strawman. Go ahead and have fun poking at it.
     
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    So who has threatened to disconnect the gas and electricity to your home? I live in Germany, where the Green Party is a considerable political power, and nobody has ever threatened to disconnect gas and electricity to mine.
    Quite the contrary: people keep coming up with new alternative ideas on how to supply my home with electricity without pestering the planet and how to build household-devices for me that are more and more energy efficient. My new washing machine is a dream!
     
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    Sorry to have to tell you that it's obviously you who has been brainwashed. Apparently some people feel so threatened in their way of life that they cling to the 'scientific' straws of one or two nutcases who tell you that climate change does either not exist or is not affected by humankind. Otherwise they might feel compelled to leave their Hummer parked in the driveway and get their fat asses to ride a bike here and there. The horror!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)

    Face it: in all likelihood you're not more of a science expert than I am. You just choose to believe some freaks rather than mainstream science because you and the sponsors of Fox-news find the stuff the freaks tell you more convenient.
     
  10. JIMV

    JIMV Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of those churches that lets its members sort of pick and choose what bits and pieces of the basic church dogma to believe...The churches that have shifted from a set f divine rules to political activism as a belief structure...and, those churches losing membership the fastest. The Anglicans come to mind.
     
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    Considering that those people are generally the ones who think the "Rapture" is just about upon us,....

    Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus actually did come down, see the mess we've made of this planet, and said F*ck this! I'm not rapturing anybody until you guys clean up this Sh*t!"
     
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    That's wonderful, junobet. In the U.S. the new washing machines are lovely, too, and the only complaint I've read about is that they don't get the clothes clean. Minor detail when your goal is to save the planet.

    The U.S. government is forcing the closure of many, perhaps most, of our coal fired power plants that produce electricity. What's there to take their place. Nothing. The compassionate liberal alternative is to simply raise the cost of electricity until people can't afford it. Poor people can do with light and heat.

    And, natural gas. If you're prevented from drilling or running pipelines a logical person concludes that the recipients of natural gas will be effected. And, what do we have to replace the natural gas. Oh, liberal promises. The hot air that doesn't heat.

    I had a friend who had solar electricity for his home. He had no choice but he loved it. Of course, his refrigerator was gas. He couldn't have a coffee maker so he used a gas stove. He was strictly limited to how many items he could be running at once. But, it was economical if you didn't factor in the frequent replacement of the huge bank of batteries under his house or the twice a week drive to fill the gas tanks.

    Produce viable alternatives and you don't have to force people to switch. If I could buy an affordable lightbulb that uses less electricity I would buy it. Well, I would if I could sit in my chair in the evening and read. With CFLs I can't.

    Give me a reasonable alternative to coal/gas/nuclear electrical generation. Until you do, tell your politicians to quit threatening me.
     
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    You would think it would be just the opposite. Christians believe that a God made the planet especially for them. You would think that they would feel some sense of responsibility toward maintaining it, keeping it clean and as pristine as possible. After all, it's a 'gift from God'. I know a few Christians and guess what, they do believe that.

    Atheists, on the other hand, believe that everything just 'happened' by chance and circumstance. Big Bang-inflation-star period-life from chaos-evolution-entropy and decay-the end. No gifts from God..no responsibility. Just find and use those resources manufactured inside those stars.

    Seems odd.
     

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