Islam has no case

allah is no god. But the Muslims worship allah. allah is the pagan god of rocks that Arabs worshipped in its days of ignorance. Islam is still in its days of ignorance.

Kiss the black stone. pagan. god of rocks. allah.

If the Arabs want to worship the true God, they will throw the koran away and come to Jesus Christ.

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Yes - the Christian and Jewish God. All three are the same.

Wrong.

...?... God = allah

Obviously not. They believe God has expressed his will through the Koran and Christians are behind. So you better start repenting.

 

But Islam believes a lie. Muhammed was a false prophet. allah is no God. I serve the God and Father of Jesus Christ the Son of God. I have nothing to repent of.

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Allah is the same entity Christians call God.

Yeah you do.

 

No he is not. allah is a false god.

I serve Jesus Christ and the God of the Bible. What do I have to repent of?

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no need to read The Word. Look closer. The Deity placed Moslem sandals over a big chunk of His Holy Crude...manifest indication of righteousness as ever was.

 

Islam certainly has a case. Funny how no one challenged the points I made for this position earlier.

 

You'll only find a few that agree with this. Truth has very few allies.

 

Not only is Muhammad a false prophet, there have been no prophets since John the Baptist. Jesus fulfilled both the law and the prophets, something I wish the Mormons can understand.

 

Excellent freedom of speech, one will never see that kind of freedom extended to Christians in Muslim lands another clear example why Islam has no case.

 

It is being challenge now, I just came back from vacation.

Muslim get very angry to the point they want to kill anyone including their own if Mohammed is insulted, funny they get up set about that but they don't get up set with Jesus, Moses, Abraham or any of the other characters are being insulted, is this because Mohammed = Allah? uhm, great resemblance to the ancient pharoahs and man-gods who wield absolute power and expect absolute obedience or death.

 

Well I'll be waiting.

What's your evidence for this occurrence?

No. First Mohammad is considered more moral than the others. Second I doub they react very little in either case.

All Gods are the same - all is the same as God in Christianity and Judaism remember. And these three gods are no different to,as you say, Ra or Odin or Zeus.

 

This is a good point, especially to those who equate Allah to God. To suggest that would be to suggest that God approves of the evil that Islam is guilty of historically and today. That God ordered the massecre of the Jews at Medina, the destruction of the Christian church at Constantinople, and death to anyone who insults the prophet. Doesn't sound like any God I know. God cannot be anything people want him to be. His character is set and it is intransigent. He is inclined to mercy and not bloodshed. He appeals to sinners through the blood of Christ, not the sword.

God is not Allah. Allah is a demon.

 

If you'd read the Bible you'd see there is great continuity.

 

Oh, I've read the Bible since I was a wee lad and there's no continuity. Even if you can make the case that God in the OT was inclined to bloodshed, which you can't, the Old Covenant finds its fulfillment in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The New Covenant is one of grace and Christians spread the gospel not with the sword, but with loving appeal. To suggest that God wanted to regress to the Old Covenant is absurd. Either Jesus is the son of God or he isn't. Either salvation is won through the merits of Christ or through the observance of religious law, but not both. Salvation through Christ alone is either true, or it isn't. And the God described in the Bible is the true God or the "god" described in the Koran, but not both.

 

Yes they do.. Do you recall the Muslim outrage over the "P*ss Christ" art exhibit?

Do you EVER think or just quip and make things up?

 

All he has is quips, and poor ones at that.

 

I disagree.

Actually Christians are incredibly ruthless, or at least they can be, and certainly have been and justified their numerous atrocities with the Bible. Certainly others have been pacifists - however Islam has had pacifists as well.

So according to Muslims, he isnt.

No, he's both, or rather the same.

 

Apparently you're one of those Catholics who think the Holy See is currently empty because they disagree with the Second Vatican Council, which said, "The Church also views with esteem the Muslims, who worship the one and only God, living and subsistent, merciful and omnipotent, the Creator of heaven and earth" (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions 2). http://archive.catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0301fea4.asp

And I suppose you disagree with the current person who according to these Catholics just pretends to be Pope when he signed the guest book of the Hagia Sophia with the words: "In our diversity, we find ourselves before faith in the one God. May God enlighten us and help us find the path of love and peace" http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0606816.htm

 

Islam denies that Christ was crucified, died, and rose from the dead in three days.

So right there I have a problem with Islam.

Also, Islam elevates Mohammed above Christ, so that's another problem I have with Islam.

My theory is that Mohammed was a man who really believed the voices in his head were God. I don't think he could have convinced so many people he was a prophet unless he believed it himself.

But if Mohammed lived in modern times, he could see a psychiatrist who would prescribe medication to make those voices go away.

 

Another problem I have with Mohammed is he doesn't have any miracles to back up his claim that he is a prophet.

All the Old Testament prophets and Jesus had miracles to prove who they were.

Also, many saints and martyrs of the Catholic Church have miracles associated with them.

I haven't heard that the Muslims have any miracles to call their own.

Perhaps I am wrong on this and if I am someone please correct me.

 

Finally something new... Well, somewhat...

It doesn't deny anything. It states Jesus PBUH was carried to heaven by Allah SWT (God) and was not killed. This contradicts what the Bible says, we know that. It's been meantioned about 20 times, over and over...

Mohammed PBUH is the final messanger of Allah SWT according to Islam. There is no competition between Prophets. All of them are important. Only thing Mohammed PBUH has on Jesus PBUH is that he spread Islam.

He didn't convince anybody he was a Prophet. He didn't even know he was until somebody told him. Then again, I have doubts you even knew that.

One of the miracles of Mohammed PBUH was his journey to Al Quds (Arabic for Jerusalem), to pray in Masjid Al-Aqsa ("the farthest Mosque")...

The Prophet Mohammed PBUH was an illiterate nobody before a Christian Monk (I included the religion on purpose) told him, he was a Prophet of God. He saw a cloud following over him and this was a sign of Prophethood. But I'm getting off topic.... Anyway so he went from being a nobody who couldn't read and write to one of the most men in history (one of, relax) 1000's of years later. Is that not a miracle.

He also remembered every verse of the Quran given to him by Allah SWT, and spread Islam, helping it to become what it is today.

Do these count as miracles?

Salam

 

And because it contridicts the Bible, then they are not about the same God. Islam is one of lies. The Bible is the Word of God. Or Chritianity is lying, and the koran is the word of god. Take your pick. But don't try and foolishly say they speak to the same God. They do not.

Whether there were miracles or not is not the final determination. Who produced the miracles. God or Satan. With the Bible, it is God. The koran contridicts the Bible. That would be Satan. Satan is quite capeable of doing miracles also. So, if a false religion like Islam has miracles, it is supernaturally empowered by Satan.

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The same old blah blah blah with you. That wasn't even directed towards you. If I want to hear the same thing repeated another 50 times, I'll let you know.

I think it is very intolerant to not consider both can be right. So maybe the Quran can teach you tolerance or something

And that logic could easily be used against you. For all we know, the Bible could of been written by the devil. Who knows, maybe he started all the religions? See, when you go on rants with statements with no proof, you can say whatever you want. You do it every post. Let your imagination run wild, you lost all credibility anyway. Might aswell make your posts worth reading for amusement..... I don't think anybody uses them for knowledge. Atleast I hope not.

Salam

 

No, the Bible was written by God. But I don't care if you believe otherwise. But it shows how stupid it is to think Islam and Christianity worship the same God.

You think both should be considered right though they contridict each other. This shows just how feeble a foundation Islam is on. A real house of cards.

Jesus said 'salvation is of the Jews'. Was He correct or lying?

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