Obama once again attacking Republicans as a force of evil

This has to stop!

Liberals, fine we get it that you don't trust us, that maybe you hate us and want to see us disappear forever into some void never to be heard from again.

But listen.. one of the first rules of debate(real,not forum) is that you should never impugn the motivations of your opponent. It's juvenile and its wrong.

So of course, our President.. a president who would've never said such a thing as "candidate Obama" in 2008 has directly insulted the GOP with accusations that we wish to have "dirtier water, dirtier air and people with less health care".

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._water_less_people_with_health_insurance.html

The Clean Water Act and the Clean Air act are under no threat from Republicans. At no point have heard any of the Republican nominees ever say that they had intentions to repeal the Clean Air/Clean Water acts.

That is a bold faced lie, and is indicative of the kind of language that is going to have us all battling out in the streets Tahrir Square style. It's an obvious cheap shot and not true at all.

I'm a conservative who is active in environmental action and cleanup at the local level. Actual hands on, in the grime, getting dirty kind of work that really does good and I know plenty of other conservatives who would agree.

Why shouldn't we get offended when Obama outright lies? You people are not going to gain votes by stigmatizing the GOP with strawmen.

 

He is correct, the republican party has become evil and openly admits to halting our countries progress for partisan politics. (*)(*)(*)(*) the republican party and anyone who supports them.

 

Bubba Clinton had a knack for gently demonizing the right with an aw schucks smile and a wink, and he was effective is advocating for what he wanted without making anyone really angry.

Chimp Obama is a demoralizing pig, whose genuine disdain for his political enemies comes flying out of his puke face like spittle from a rabid dog. He's not winning over anyone, so I hope he continues his tsunami of tantrums.

 

Sorry Montoya, I put you on ignore. So I can't read your garbage anymore, but I'm sure it is garbage.

 

This is laughable from Siliconmagician. What a hypocrit. I can pull like 10 posts where you threaten physical violence against liberals.

Stop playing victim when you consistently promote violence against the other side.

 

President Obama clearly hasn't read Chris Matthews' Hardball.

 

Posts like this is why this country is going down the toilet as well as the one below this.

America is not about left wing vs right wing, its about America and her citizens.

Wake up.

 

So? This OP isn't about SiliconMagician, I'm not the President of the United States and my words aren't spread out to millions of people is it?

I'm just SiliconMagician, another anonymous American with a chip on his shoulder.

The President should be held to a higher standard than the SiliconMagician.

 

See if this surprises you.... didn't me.

WALL STREET INSIDER: The Obama White House Wants Us Gone. All of Us.

 

Really? That's great, man. What kind of environmental problems do you deal with?

And how would you apply a similar ethic to health care?

 

Hes one of those "people" who thinks you must pay some over inflated corporate price just to have healthcare.

 

Watershed advocacy and river cleanups. We also work closely with the Ohio EPA doing fish electro fishing where we go and jolt the water to stun the fish to the surface where they have scale and blood samples drawn, are weighed and measured and then put back in the water and then the samples are sent up to Columbus for testing for PCB's, Mercury all that stuff.

We adopted a 5 mile section of the Great Miami River where we gather together volunteers 4 times a year for river and tire cleanups. We dig old tires and garbage and junk out of the mud in the river.

We were members of the local Rivers Unlimited Chapter but we broke with them because they turned out in reality to be a bunch of mooches who talked a big game but were never available for any of the cleanups or other advocacy events we organized but were sure keen on getting more funding for them to live off of so they wouldn't have to get real jobs.

I remember the last meeting we went to my sister got up and called them a bunch of "environmental poseurs" for living off of the proceeds of the organization but never doing anything but talking and having meetings while we were out there in hip deep mud digging tires out and they never went to Columbus like we did to advocate for more money to pay for the $8 per tire cost of recycling.

But they were sure as hell there for the kayak/canoe runs(which we provided the shuttle service and canoes for) and to collect all the money and donations which always mysteriously disappeared.

They are the main reason I don't trust liberal environmental groups because they are all in it so they don't have to work real jobs. They are big on talk, but small on action.

 

I know this is OT but just curious, how many jobs do you have? You claimed to work for Hilton hotels in the muffingate thread and now its this. Are these related or are you just making this stuff up to fit the thread?

 

He's a conservative, darlin. We work.

I know, foreign concept, right?

ROFLMAO

 

Ah, so your a con that believes Liberals simply can not have a job.

How Patriotic of you SMW!

 

I don't think I've ever not had a job since I was 15.. whats your point?

Obviously painting giants groups of people without one brush is a foreign concept to you, darlin.

 

I think you'd be suprised how many people on this forum, Liberals or not have full time jobs. As a full time high school student, I'm only able to hold a part-time job. I work as an intern for the Democratic Party. However, I'm not satisfied with the position. I have bigger and better goals for myself. I will be applying for an internship at the state office of Chuck Schumer, as well as a paid work study program at New York office of the United States Department of State. There are some businesses starting up in my neighborhood, so I will also apply for part-time retail jobs.

In college, I plan on working as a freelance advertiser/graphic designer during my free time. I was initially going to major in graphic design/advertising design. I had an ambitious goal of becoming an advertising director for a fortune 500 company. However, my stress threshold didn't compliment my skills. If I don't have success with it, I can always look for retail jobs of paid internships. I'm an honors student. I have an incredible work ethic, and an uncanny ability to create innovative, realistic, and pragmatic policy. It's this reason why I intend on majoring in international relations and affairs, and political science and government.

 

Good for you Diplomat. I wish you the best. Sounds like you have a really good head on your shoulders.

Despite any political leanings one way or the other you may have, I think there is a valuable lesson to be learned from the blind partisan hackery that is so common on this forum. Don't see things as black vs white, red vs blue. This is an ignorant and narrow minded way to look at the world, and will most often keep you from seeing the truth, which generally lies somewhere in between.

Cheers.

 

You're the one doing the accusing. I simply pointed out most conservatives work. And wondered why you'd automatically assume someone was lying if they claim to have experience in several different fields.

I'd believe a liberal if they told me they'd worked at 6 different fast food joints. What's so hard to believe about SiliconMagician having a variety of real jobs?

 

Jobs? Yes. Careers? Not so much.

Oh wait, hairdresser's a career, right?

Nevermind. Liberals have careers, too.

 

I say let the man speak. I'll take accuracy for starters.

 

All that stuff you're doing is great, but that's not really true about environmental groups, liberal or conservative. Just 'cause you had one bad experience with one group, that's not really a good basis for judgment against a political demographic.

 

Were either of those things mentioned in the article? I didn't see that.

So what you're saying is that republicans don't oppose regulation of pollution. And you, yourself, haven't said that you'll start shooting people if we get nationalized health care. That's all in our imagination?

Is this some kind of technical argument based on whether or not carbon is dirt?

You do oppose environmental regulations, do you not? Haven't you made the argument that adherence to environmental treaties cripples our ability to compete industrially with other countries? And you don't think that everyone should have health care, correct? Haven't you said that you think that poor people being miserable is just part of American culture?

Am I remembering someone else?

 

First off.. this is political forum and I'm not here to "debate" anyone. No one is changing anyones mind here. I'm here to tell people I disagree with vehemently(communists/socialists/etc) how much I think they suck and to expand my own political knowledge and share my opinions with and support of other Conservatives.

Since many of my political opposites are convinced that Conservatives are the most evil species of human being on the planet, why bother defending myself, I'm not changing any minds? It's much more fun to mock them and to play into exactly what they think conservatives are and just be an evil, greedy son of a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) American and play exactly what they think Consertives are.

Many of the political beliefs expressed here are so completely and totally foreign to any mainstream political belief that I simply get flabbergasted at times that people can even believe some of the nonsense I hear with religious fervor. Sure I pop off and lose my temper at anti-Americanism, outright communism/socialism but then I'm just as liable go off about Ron Paul extreme libertarianism, etc. so I don't play favorites too much.

As far as environment regulation is concerned. My chief gripes are

A)Carbon trading and taxes that cripple the competitiveness of Western Nations vs Asia where they simply don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about their carbon footprint and while I'm convinced global warming is real, I'm equally convinced that certain elements in various world governments, academia/science, and industry are using the hype of the problem to bilk cash out of unsuspecting people the same way a revivalist preacher goes around and bilks people out their cash for his own financial gain and I don't think that any of the regulation coming down from Washington/UN/EU,etc is doing a thing to stop global warming when the main violators IMO are in Asia and China.

B)Government appliance standards that drive up the cost of fridges, toilets, shower heads, other products ad infinitum that simply inconvenience customers in the name of chasing a chimerical green unicorn and fool idiot environmentalists into thinking these foolish inconveniences are somehow helping the environment when they are not and are in fact, making even more of our products uncompetitive in a world market where products need to be as cheap as possible to be sold to bushmen in Africa and other 3rd world nations.

C)The EPA is currently being used as a political attack dog by the Obama administration, helmed by an environmental radical and assisted by an equally nutzoid Energy Secretary who fervently believes that energy in America is too cheap and needs ot match European levels.

These are the things that most "common sense" conservatives are griping about IMO when they call for "deregulation". No one wants to see the Clean Air/Clean Water acts(which I know for a fact due to watershed advocacy and living in a former heavily polluted industrial town know have worked) disappear and I have never heard any Republican ever talk about repealing such things, unless maybe Ron Paul or someone but really, Ron Paul??

As far as my threats of violence goes..sure man. If some commie or socialist or other crazy came at me foaming at the mouth about how evil the Republican Party is, America is, etc etc.. I am most likely to inflict physical damage on them as I take these things as personal insults. All I can say is I'm glad I don't live in NYC because if I was one of those guys in that "Tea Party vs OWS" video that showed up in a thread recently and someone was getting nasty and mean with me I wouldn't be nice and smile and stuff. I would drop my (*)(*)(*)(*) right then and there and push them and demand they get ready to either fight for what they beleive in or flee. I grew up in a very nasty neighborhood and I'm not afraid to take a punch at all. I'm not made of glass. Where I come from you don't talk (*)(*)(*)(*) unless you are willing to back it up with violence. After being outnumbered 3-4:1 by hardcore gang members, a hippie or two is nothing to even break a sweat over.

 

I do work for Hilton as a desk manager with a staff and heavy responsiblities that require me to be in the hotel from 9pm EST to 7am EST which leaves my days free for other part time work or my volunteer work. I only sleep 4-6 hours a day and the rest I fill with work, volunteer work, family time or just verbally slapping liberals on PF. If you ever bother the check you'll see 90% of my posts are done in the late/early morning hours when I'm between tasks at work.