Democracy is nothing more than a gang of bullies

Both have pros and cons, but at this point, we aren't even treading water. America is going backward while the top who control the old girl are getting rich of the demise of their own nation. Only a populous dictator could remedy such a situation. He would have to be nationalist to be different from what we have, but I could only support if a nationalist capitalist. No one wants a nationalist socialist dictator. That's not who we are as Americans.

 

If someone wanted yell fire in a crowded theater they could. Yes they would get in trouble but what is really stopping that person? Only a simple law. After all, we are so stuck on this idea that we can't say fire in a movie theater that it hinders people from point out a fire when they really see one.

The same with wealth. People are so stuck on the idea that too much is bad. If wanted to make a Gamillion dollars I can. Nothing should really stop me unless someone steals it from me or stops me with a wealth tax.

Whatever work that you hated doing.

Depends on how long until it becomes a dictatorship. They almost always do.

 

HAHAHAHA

Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that everyone has a voice? LOL. You are really innocent.

Not everyone has a voice. Many people, millions of Americans don't have any voice.

 

As long as there are people, no one will truly ever agree on everything.

Unless I clone myself. That should work.

 

Also, whatever sense of responsibility that person might have.

No, it doesn't. Why would it? Pointing out a fire is entirely responsible and everyone knows it. Nobody wants to burn to death.

But too much is bad. For the same reason that it's a bad idea to let people have nuclear weapons. You can completely destroy a city with too much wealth. You can wreak havoc and ruin lives. People do have a right to be dangerous to each other, or else we'd have to disallow karate lessons. But there are some reasonable limitations that society can place on individuals. No nukes, no megagazillionaires.

I've been offered jobs doing things that I thought were wrong at times. I declined, in part because I thought I had better options. If I didn't have better options, and there wasn't a better way to feed my family, I suppose I would take a two-dollar-an-hour job.

Best to support the democracy for as long as it can last, then, right?

 

I really don't get that example as to how free speech as limits to be honest. Sure, it presents a false sense of danger but people are still not stupid.

Bah, they can see the fire for themselves.

How does my Megagazillion dollars hurt anyone if I'm just accumulating it and hording it for myself? If I want to be a Megagazillionaire I should be able. Just like if someone wants to weigh 800 pounds.

Dunno why anyone would want to do that but there are some weird people in this world.

Well how are you being exploited if you had the option to turn it down. If you didn't turn it down it means it was the best possible job I could have given you. It also means that you wouldn't be better off if you didn't have that job.

You should thank me for the opportunity.

Don't know how you are going to be able to agree with a system that marginalizes the minority. It would be nice if anything just flowed voluntarily but everything under a democracy involves force.

 

You don't even understand them. Stick to your own sad country's affairs if you can remove the envy in your mind for US.

 

The alternative to democracy, an imperfect system, is much much worse.

 

?????

Envy? Envy of what? Envy of USA? LOL

 

You are obviously envious of the USA because they are a better welfare state than Spain is.

 

Democracy = mob rule

Two wolves and a sheep sit down to democratically decide what's for dinner . . .

 

Sir.... we are a Republic, and NOT a Democracy. As a matter of fact, if you read through the founders works, they hated the idea of a democracy.... Democracy is simply majority rule. A Republic is majority rule, while not exploiting the minority opinion. For example... a Democracy can vote to tax people with blue eyes more. Just because the majority of people do not have blue eyes.

 

Really?


I seem to recall that Hitler burned down the parliament with the backing of the military, Napoleon declared himself emperor with the backing of the military and, while Rome was nowhere near a democracy, old Julius was stabbed to death....with the backing of the military.

So what was your point? That democracies breed dictatorships?

 

Great post Kokomojo - we need more thinking out of the box in this forum.

Too many distractions, obfuscations and side track discussions deter the American populace from the fact that its times America needs a third and possibly fourth political party to run for President, beginning pronto!

The two party system of corp. candidates supported by corp. media damage control and propaganda has been defeated by the independant blogosphere and our citizenry being better informed.

I find it interesting all these detractors on this board who attack progressive thought always excessively quote the original post, dragging away from the central point. Guys we know what post you are responding to, thats why you are in this thread! No need to drag out things out by quoting the original post.

But people feel threatened by change, so they feel they have to quote the post before they insult you, maybe so you won't notice, the gangs of shills on here, or so people won't notice they are always the same detractors over and over with no substantive answer, only repeating the same lies we hear from the pols!


Keep thinking out of the box and dispose of the corp. media circus, the Breitbart tactics, and the Drudgery, all designed to suppress change and quash the voice of the common man!

 

Pretty much.

Hugo Chavez also another spawn of a democracy.

 

?????

Seriouly do you read what you're saying?

I don't like almost anything of USA. Only Hollywood, and ultimately neither this, and Berkeley and MIT from where come BSD and Stallman. And somethings of Sillicon Valley. For the rest no thanks.

 

THen what is your proposal? Dictatorship? Absolutist monarchy? Autocracy? WHat?

 

Venezuela for now is more democratic than many other countries. And Chavez can't be considered more dictator than Obama or before Bush. Even if you don't like their policies.

But whatever, the actual system are not democratics, so it is easier become authoritarian than in a real democracy.

 

And exactly how is Venezuela more of a Democratic than the USA?

 

We go back to a constitutionally based democratic republic.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Hall_disaster

Sort of funny that it originated as an anti-union tactic. Well. As funny as a bunch of dead men, women and children at a Christmas party can be, anyway.

Isn't that an argument against free speech?

But you should not be allowed to weigh 800 pounds if there isn't enough food for everyone else to eat while you gobble down enough to keep gaining all the weight.

And if everyone gets snowed in and people start resorting to cannibalism, who do you think is getting eaten first?

Unless, of course, you're also the one that screwed over the economy in the first place so that people were so desperate as to take jobs for two dollars an hour. Of course, in America, no one would be able to afford working for two dollars an hour, unless they somehow didn't have to worry about paying the rent or buying food.

Is there a system that doesn't involve force and doesn't marginalize anyone?

 

There are 4 branches of government you know.

legislative, judicial, the executive, and the people.

the last notwithstanding.

 

The limit is not on "free speech" (the 1st Amendment wording is "freedom of speech" by the way) but on any action that causes injury which is what certain types of incitement and slander would be. As an illustration of the illogic of your statement, this is like saying "But there are limits to private property.. theft, embezzlement, armed robbery-- basically the really dangerous and irresponsible stuff."

 

It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever vote Democrat again, after the NeoCons took over again, disguised as O-Bomber.

Even when Obama appears on the TV, my 65 year old lifelong blue blood Democrat Mom has to change the channel because he makes her sick to her stomach!

 

In that case, an overabundance of wealthy for any individual is more obviously harmful for everyone else. If one person has a billion dollars and everyone else has three dollars, everyone else's money is basically worthless. Money has to follow the rules of supply and demand more than anything else does.