If Republicans win Big in the 2012 Election, will there be Civil Unrest and Violence?

I've been thinking about this lately. I remember in the 2010 elections, the liberals on the internet completely got really really nasty in their rhetoric. That nastiness has continued to climb to a higher and higher pitch.

Now, I'm not even halfway foolish enough to say that its a guarantee the GOP will win big, or win at all in the 2012 elections. After all, the mainstream media is obviously working overtime to protect Obama and prepare for the 2012 election.

But lets just say, by some off chance, the Republicans actually win. Lets say a repeat of 2010 happens and Republicans get slim majorities in both houses of Congress and a Republican President.

I'm worried that after the messianic hype of 2008, subsequent disappointment that the visions were not even close to coming true, combined with the idea that Republicans will probably repeal most of Obama's legacy, will drive the Democratic base to such fits of disappointed rage and fear, that they will tear the nation's cities apart in violence and rioting.

Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I can just see the rise of claims similar to 2000.

I can already predict the narrative people will use as an excuse for their violence;

The RNC along with Diebold, the Koch Brothers, Big Banks and Multinational Corporations on Wall Street colluded in a giant conspiracy to steal the election from Barack Obama and the Democrats similar to the claims made in 2000. In the eyes of the leftists, the election results would be seen as illegitimate and an excuse for civil unrest and violence for some kind of "recount" which gives the result they want or an appeal to the World Community for a 2nd election overseen by UN observers, again with an eye towards giving the result they want.

Now I'm not a loon, but reading forums like these, and comments by liberals on blogs and pundit articles added with the volatility of the Occupy Wall Street Movement.. I think this is a distinct possibility.

Could the 2012 election be the spark to a conflagration if it doesn't go the way Democrats think it should?

In 2010 reading the rhetoric, leftists were predicting the end of the world. I can't imagine what 2012 will be like but it has me worried. A lot of bad blood and lots of anger out there.

 

Republicans won't need to steal the elections in 2012 they will be handed to the m on a plate. Disaffected Liberals like me wouldn't vote twice for Obama. He is a fraud.

Fool me once.....

As for violence, what do you think the Patriot act, NORCOM and DHS are really for? Why do you think American police are now militarised. Why is law enforcement and military intelligence blended seamlessly in "Fusion centres"? What do you think the "No fly", "no train", "no bus" and now "no interstate drive" lists are really for? What do you think random police searches are for?

Oh sure, terrorism, child pornography, the war on drugs....

Wait till any political activist who doesn't belong to one of the Two parties is automatically harassed.

 

Geez.

The US Government is not some monolithic force of evil operating a despotism under the cover of Democracy.

If that is true, then every other Western nation is a hidden despotism also. I don't understand how you can beleive that the USA among all the other Western nations on Earth is somehow undemocratic but no one else.

In order for what you say to be true, then that means reporters in the mainstream media are in on it as well and I just don't see that. Favoritism I can see a point to, but outright collusion to hide a despotism? LMAO

 

The only person I've heard talk about getting violent is you, Silicon.

 

Well yeah, the stuff people say on this forum really pisses me off sometimes. See Post #2 of this thread for a prime example. 2nd paragraph.

That someone could even believe such utter nonsense is astounding.

 

You're greatly overestimating both the media's bias (the 'leftist' media isn't all that hard left for the most part) and its ability to sway the public.

I can't see anyone asking for a second series of UN-monitored elections. Our normal elections are already monitored internationally. That said, the Republicans have already started organizing voter fraud and disenfranchisement. It's inconceivable that they will not engage in massive voter fraud to win 2012.

Possibly. This is the cost of escalation. You all on the right should have thought about that before escalating your rhetoric.

 

My answer to this is: no.

Because, I do not believe it is relevant whether the democrats or the republicans will win the next election.

The current problems (debts, political polarisation, populism, changing demographics, destruction of purchasing power of the middle class, war to name a few) will not go away on the short term, nor will they be solved. That is perhaps a cynical outlook on the future, but the problems at hand are large and require leadership, cooperation and long term planning. These things are rare in politics, let alone in the USA where everything has been polarized the last few years between the two largest parties.

As for civil unrest and violence, I hope not, but I suspect there will be. Perhaps the Occupy wallstreet protest is one of the first protests of many more to come, since more and more people are living on the streets and hungry, this willl feed their anger.

Time will tell.

 

LMAO

Wow, you are really ready to blame the GOP for violence in the streets merely for winning an election?

Tell me sir, just how is the massive vote fraud supposed to take place? What mechanism could possibly be used that I shouldn't dismiss as tin-foil hat conspiracy theory?

 

Unless Paul or a Kucinich run as an independent, I don't see independents showing up. The only reason independents wanted Obama so bad was because the democrats wanted Hillary, so it gave the impression they were voting someone who was anti-establishment. Of course, that turned out to be a joke. We all know what we will get from the GOP machine already, and now we know what we will get from the donkey machine. Anyone with a brain knows what the politicians say is irrelevant. The machine moves on no matter which party is in control. I expect who will win as president in 2012 will come down to which party has the most hardliners. Unless democrats can seriously change the voting districts to their favor, the republicans should win as they have far more hardliners. But as to the whole voting population, maybe 30% show up.

Will violence erupt? Probably of the riot nature in concentrated urban centers. But it will be non-productive type violence. The real question is of those of the hard working Americans who make up the backbone of the nation. Have they truly been tamed to the point that with all knowing they have zero representation in Washington, they just put their heads down and pray for death, or do they start thinking outside of voting and protests as to fixing the global regime's destruction of the nation?

 

Lets just say you are right and this massive revolution takes place. What makes you think that the Constitution will remain intact and not be replaced by whatever interim Government takes control in Washington with something even more tyrannical or perhaps even socialist/communist?

What makes you think the entire nation won't just split apart into a series of uselessly weak and constantly feuding rump states? Don't you think a civil war/rebellion/revolt would leave us even weaker vs the Globalists? All they have to do is come in and occupy whatever is left, including your part of the world. Together as one nation we at least stand a chance against your "globalist" occupation, destroyed by civil war we're at their mercy.

You get that don't you? America destroyed by civil war would play right into their hands.

 

I don't live my life scared of "what if"s. I don't believe in "what if" laws. I don't believe in "what if" choices. That is our current society, where all move out of fear. Cowards deserve what they get, and I know you know that. Fact of the matter, people's "beliefs" are being dictated. People's options are being dictated. America's "left" is a joke. I had a friend one time who thought leftism was the greatest thing ever. He of course was a lazy, "woe is me" type who wanted the world to fix his problems, because of course, in his mind, the world was responsible for his problems. It took lots of conversations to turn his perspective around. It is hard for those whose luck in the early years was unfortunate, as his surely was, don't doubt that. But like I told him, no one cares. And his attitude was just keeping him from making things best in his own way, for himself. On top of that, I explained that under true leftism, he doesn't get the option to sit around drinking mountain dew, smoking pot and playing video games all day to escape his troubles. Under true leftism, he is told where to work, what he works for, and if he fights, is made an example of. Such things scare the pants off Americans, even the most pro-leftist, as we are all independent in nature. Those in control right now are as far left as this nation could go, politically, economically, and socially. Anything more would have to be true authoritarian, and would show leftism for what it is worth, so they are locked, and at this level, are doing no one any favors. There is such thing as capitalists who care, and instead of regulations and massive taxes, we simply need capitalists who put nation before the world, and all workers, if willing to work for themselves, and fix their own predicaments, will find an environment far more promising than to which any form of leftism could possibly supply.

 

i believe that the left will literally become unhinged. If Obama is a one term president it will not just be a blow to the left, but from their point of view, an attack on their whole ideaology. I expect to see a wave of actual false reporting by the news media. Perhaps stories of massive voting fraud. I can envision teachers walking off the job, news reporters actually protesting because obviously if the liberal person that they invested so much time and energy into does not win, it must mean something underhanded went on. It will be interesting to watch. This much will be certain, you will see their naked rage and hatred out in full display...

 

Why is it that when the conservatives reacted to the Obama win with wild conspiracy theories (Birthers) and the birth of a new political movement (the Tea Party), this is a measured response to the liberal threat? Leaving the rhetoric aside, I would argue that the liberals would react much the same way in 2012 if there is a big Republican win. I can quite easily see some sort of stupid conspiracy theory get going (electoral fraud?) and I could also see some sort of hard-core liberal movement start inside the Democratic party.

What liberals are not good at is violence. There would no doubt be a few big demonstrations against early bills put into law by Congress and a few hundred of the nihilists that call themselves anarchists will no doubt smash some windows and torch some cars and everyone will be shocked (speaking of which, what percentage of their membership are government agents and/or informers?). The rhetoric on the airwaves and in the press will get even nastier (although that is getting hard to imagine) and this country will get even more divided and distracted from some of the real issues facing the USA.

 

What happened in the UK, and what happens at G20 and WTO meetings around the world shows that if there is one thing the left is very good at is violence. Violence is how they cow the People into giving them what they want.

Tea Party rallies are little more than Sunday Socials where everyone gets together has a good time, lets off some steam and goes home to go back to the work.

Leftist rallies are founts of abject anger and rage where the crowd gets worked up into a frenzy of hate and anger towards perceived enemies and then they strike out at those perceived enemies with violence.

The difference is like night and day. I've been to both types of rallies.

At the Tea Party rally, the vibe is happy, like a celebration. Everyone smiles and has fun, like at a neighborhood BBQ.

Go to a leftist rally and the vibe is awful, it's anger filled and full of rage and populist mob mentality of the worst sort.

It's frightening to be a a leftwing rally because you never know when all that anger and rage is going to burst.

 

Drawing conclusions about ordinary citizens based on people on the Internet is a mistake. Step out of your basement and talk to some random people at your workplace or whatever: people are more calm and collected than you're giving us credit. As for Occupy, so far the USA version of it is nothing to be concerned about in terms of unrest.

 

To answer the OP: No.

Why? Because it just won't happen, Republicans win elections and Democrats win elections, and I can't recall their being civil unrest, violence, rebellion, war or anything of the sort happening as a result. And I tend to think people who say it will happen wanna believe that without having a logical reason for it.

 

Those touching themselves at night hankering for unrest will be disappointed.

 

I disagree.

Republicans win elections and Democrats win elections.
But the unrest in Wall St is not based upon Politics..but exclusion.
I used to think they would just wait till a Republican wins to burn cities..but if Obama wins and nothing changes they wont wait.
They will think they have a Friend and ally in The White house who will listen and force changes if he is FORCED to change.

Logic has nothing to do with emotion.
Exclusion or thought of being left behind will force the match.
We are no different than Greece.
Maybe more stupid..since we dont fathom the depths of our troubles.

 

First off I don't live in a basement, and I work with the public everyday. The very rich people that I read demonized as if they aren't even human. The successful in this country have been dehumanized by Obama and the Democrats in an attempt to "fire up the base" to the point that they are angry and disillusioned enough to commit acts of violence IMO.

32% of Democrats claim they would be willing to use violence as a means to achieve their ends. That is a lot of people!

I've seen a lot of anger, but never to this level. Not even during 2004 election, which was pretty nasty have I seen this level of anti-GOP hysteria.

 

There are several scenarios that could end in violence. If the conditions are right, it doesn't take as much as most people think for things to go from peaceful to violent.

If the Republicans continue their onslaught against the lower and middle classes, unemployment continues to rise, social programs are cut back to put more money in the pockets of corporations and to provide even more money for the Pentagon (double-digit increase this year Ka-CHING!)... well that sets up a situation where desperate people are likely to do desperate things regardless of their political affiliation.

I think a Republican "victory" is a bit optimistic at this point. The Republicans are more likely to lose seats in the House, quite a few seats. They MAY pick up a couple in the Senate but I don't see it switching hands. I doubt that the House will switch hands either but the gap will close. Sure, the Republicans are doing their best to curb voting rights and we can't discount either gerrymandering or the huge influx of corporate cash that will most likely flood the election but will their attempts to suppress the vote be enough to overcome a pure numbers game? It WILL be a pure numbers game because this election is going to be hotly contested with record turnouts.

The Republicans still haven't produced a viable challenge for the Presidency and the current stable has plenty of time to keep beating each other up. In addition, Obama is going to exit the primary season with a HUGE war chest and his Republican opponent is going to have to start from scratch.

 

You forgot to mention the American Citizens on Obama's Hit List

 

Doubt it.

Obama is overseeing American decline, the next president will have to suffer through the same. Although I believe that a Republican President would serve our interests better, since they are often more naive. Not to mention it's proabably going to be Romeny, who will bring entire bus loads of fomer Bush Jr. advisers. Well, in that case, all I can say is: the cake is baked and Americans might get a piece if they ask nicely.

If there should be a rebellion, I expect it to come from the entire American people.

 

Yes ,especially if we Shift the ability of Deportation to States and empower ICE & BP and allow them to do their job and lastly we really Secure the Southern Border with 25 thousand NG/Military added to a greatly enhanced BP .

 

The discussion (right before our eyes), is transforming itself from Left vs. Right... to TOP, MIDDLE and BOTTOM.

It seems that TOO MUCH MONEY has influenced our government and elections. The issues are economic, primarily. And those with good solutions/plans for the middle class, will most likely be those ones who end up in power (in the future).

The "American people" will likely not abide the politicians who talk and do not produce, or at least PROPERLY represent their voices. As it is now, Wall Street and big corporations have managed to drown-out the power/influence of the people's voices. But the Occupy Movement has changed that a little (so far); that is a good thing.

 

Bobby Jindal win = Good News (He Ran as a Conservative & Government budget slasher )