Multiple honor killings in Canada:

DutchClogCyborg · Oct 21, 2011

Qur'an 4:34 allows for physical violence (yes, it says to hit) against "disobedient women." Islamic law is inconsistent at best on whether parents who kill their children face any consequences at all. It is no surprise, then, that Muslims commit 91 percent of "honor killings" worldwide.

Even in Canada,Family saw slain girls as treacherous for having boyfriends, court hears," by Allison Jones for the Canadian Press, October 20

KINGSTON, Ont. - A Montreal family couldn't bear the "treachery" of their three teenaged daughters having boyfriends, so they drowned them and the father's first wife, pushing a car into a canal and staging the scene to look like an implausible accident, court heard Thursday.

Days after the bodies were found the father was recorded saying, "There is nothing more valuable than our honour."

Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 41, her husband Mohammad Shafia, 58, and their son, Hamed Mohammad Shafia, 20, are each charged with four counts of first-degree murder.

Three teenage Shafia sisters, Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and Geeti, 13, along with Shafia's first wife, Rona Amir Mohammad, 50, were found dead inside a submerged black Nissan Sentra discovered June 30, 2009 in the Rideau Canal. The family had stopped in Kingston on their way home from a trip to Niagara Falls.

An expert will be called to testify about honour killings and how in extreme cases, killing can be seen in some cultures as a way to restore honour to a family, the Crown attorney said Thursday at the outset of the trial. Disobedience by a female member of the family can cause shame and taint family honour, she said.

Laurie Lacelle quoted police wiretaps made surreptitiously in the days after the deaths that show the family's concern for their honour.

"Even if they hoist me up onto the gallows, nothing is more dear to me than my honour," Shafia said. "Let's leave our destiny to God, and may God never make me, you or your mother honourless...There is nothing more valuable than our honour."

When police began to suspect the three were involved in the deaths, they told the family they were examining a camera near the scene for clues, in the hopes this would prompt discussion among the Shafias in their car, which the police had bugged. They scoffed and immediately suspected police were bluffing.

"If they had had any proof they would have come for us a long time ago," Shafia said.

Another wiretap recorded Shafia and Yahya talking about their daughters 20 days after they died.

"If we remain alive...we have no tension thinking our daughter is in the arms of this or that boy, this or that man," Shafia said on a wiretap. "God's curse on them for generations. May the devil ...(expletive) on their graves. Is that what a daughter should be? Would a daughter be such a whore?"

"There can be no treachery, no violation more than this," Lacelle quoted Shafia as saying on the wiretaps. "They committed treason from beginning to end. They betrayed humankind. They betrayed Islam...They betrayed everything."...
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/murder-trial-set-begin-today-montreal-family-accused-080006824.html

Serfin' USA · Oct 21, 2011

That's pretty disgusting, but not very surprising.

DonGlock26 · Oct 21, 2011

"Even if they hoist me up onto the gallows, nothing is more dear to me than my honour," Shafia said."

Dude, you are in Canada. They won't hurt a hair on your head. You could behead 10,000 Canadian children, and they would give you dental care and cable TV.

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Hummingbird · Oct 21, 2011

DutchClogCyborg said: ↑

Qur'an 4:34 allows for physical violence (yes, it says to hit) against "disobedient women." Islamic law is inconsistent at best on whether parents who kill their children face any consequences at all. It is no surprise, then, that Muslims commit 91 percent of "honor killings" worldwide.

Even in Canada,Family saw slain girls as treacherous for having boyfriends, court hears," by Allison Jones for the Canadian Press, October 20

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/murder-trial-set-begin-today-montreal-family-accused-080006824.html
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Not surprising - that's what they do. Just like that Texas muslim dad who shot his 2 daughters to death b/c they 'dishonored' him.....

The NYC muslim who had a tv program promoting 'peace and tolerance' between Islam and this country and he chopped off his wife's head b/c she 'dishonored' him.......

And the list goes on and on and on and on all over the world.....

botenth · Oct 21, 2011

This should never be tolerated, anywhere.

DonGlock26 · Oct 22, 2011

Hummingbird said: ↑

Not surprising - that's what they do. Just like that Texas muslim dad who shot his 2 daughters to death b/c they 'dishonored' him.....

The NYC muslim who had a tv program promoting 'peace and tolerance' between Islam and this country and he chopped off his wife's head b/c she 'dishonored' him.......

And the list goes on and on and on and on all over the world.....
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I'm amazed at the amount of denial about this on the Left.

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wgabrie · Oct 22, 2011

DonGlock26 said: ↑

I'm amazed at the amount of denial about this on the Left.

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What is there to deny? That "honorable" man was in his second marriage, and a murderer? It seems men get a free pass in Islam. Ancient codes are unjust.

Brewskier · Oct 22, 2011

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KINGSTON, Ont. Its the Canadian Maple Leaf that flies high over the picturesque locks at Kingston Mills near this historic city, but on the night of June 30, 2009, it might just as well have been the black-red-and-green flag of Afghanistan, with its sacred line proclaiming the greatness of Allah.

What happened at the locks that night, Crown prosecutors alleged in Ontario Superior Court Thursday, was a so-called honour killing, the culmination of a violent misogynist Afghan culture that had been transplanted holus-bolus years earlier into the heart of central Canada.

May the devil s on their graves, Mohammad Shafia told his second wife, Tooba Mohammad Yahya, 20 days after the bodies of the couples three teenage daughters and Mr. Shafias first wife were recovered from a car in the water at the locks.

Found dead by drowning in a black Nissan Mr. Shafia had bought just eight days earlier the suggestion implicit that he got it for that very purpose were Rona Amir Mohammad, the barren wife who had been presented to the children and outsiders both as an auntie, and rebellious daughters Zainab, 19, Sahar, 17, and 13-year-old Geeti.

Charged with four counts each of first-degree murder are Mr. Shafia, Ms. Yahya and their oldest son Hamed, who was 18 at the time. All are pleading not guilty.

The ghastly conversation was captured on a Kingston Police wiretap, prosecutor Laurie Lacelle told Judge Robert Maranger and a jury.

In another snippet recorded by the device police had placed in a family car, Mr. Shafia told Ms. Yahya, They committed treason themselves. They betrayed humankind. They betrayed Islam. They betrayed our religionthey betrayed everything.

He said whenever he saw the pictures taken by Zainab and Sahar on their cell phones these were goofy shots of them posing in bras and panties, or with their forbidden boyfriends I am consoled.

I say to myself, You did well. Were they to come to life, I would do it again.

In a detailed opening address of 90 minutes, Ms. Lacelle told the jurors they would hear from a variety of witnesses, including those to whom Rona Mohammad and the children had confided their fear of Mr. Shafia and Hamed.

In fact, what was most galling about the prosecutors overview of the evidence to come was how very openly the teenagers had rebelled against their parents once, from a street corner in Montreal where the family lived, they begged a stranger to call 911 for them because they were so afraid to go home and how little Canadian authorities and Canadian law helped them.

In fact, Quebec child protection authorities twice investigated complaints from Sahars school, once little more than three weeks before the four bodies were found.

In the first instance, Ms. Lacelle said, the social worker deemed the complaint to be founded true, in other words but closed the file anyway when Sahar wouldnt talk to her once she learned that the worker would be obligated to tell her parents what shed told her.

The next time she interviewed the girl two days later, Sahar was wearing the hijab and claimed things had improved at home.

In the second instance, though police in Montreal interviewed the children separately and had them open up about their maltreatment including the fact that Mr. Shafia allegedly often threatened to kill them the child protection worker interviewed the girls in the presence of their parents.

Unsurprisingly, they clammed up or recanted their earlier allegations, and the worker closed the file.

Though the family Mr. Shafia, two wives and a total of seven children left Afghanistan in 1992, they didnt emigrate to Canada until June of 2007, with Rona Mohammad following six months later on a visitors visa.

She left a diary, found by police, which detailed the alleged beatings she suffered at her husbands hands and the cruelty dished out to her by her fertile replacement, Ms. Yahya, who allegedly told her, Your life is in my hands and, You are not his wife; you are my servant. [...]

Though Mr. Shafia and Hamed may have appeared the picture of successful and Westernized men the father was wealthy, owned a shopping mall in Laval and had contracted to build an upscale home, and the family had lived in Pakistan, Australia and Dubai behind closed doors, they might as well have been back in Afghanistan.

The oldest son Hamed was the head of the household when Mr. Shafia was away. He had a drivers licence and his own cell phone, used his fathers silver Lexus, and helped him in business.

The daughters, meanwhile, had phones registered to either father or son, and Zainab was kept out of school for a full year after the family discovered she had a boyfriend.

It was her running away, in the spring of 2009, to a womens shelter which sparked the familys downward spiral, Ms. Lacelle told the jurors.

But Sahar, too, was rebelling. She had a boyfriend. She loved makeup and clothes, like her big sister. She wanted to be a gynecologist, and was moved by the plight of her native sisters in Afghanistan.

Once, miserable at facing the prospect of having to wear a hijab, she tried to kill herself. According to Rona Mohammads diary, Ms. Yahya snapped, She can go to hell; let her kill herself.

But it was the little girl, Geeti, who fought her parents most ferociously and who begged most blatantly for help.

She told her school, Ms. Lacelle said. She told the police. She told youth protection. ....
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"May the devil s___ on their graves." Can you imagine a father feeling this way about his children. Feel the love of Islam.

Never Left · Oct 22, 2011

DutchClogCyborg said: ↑

Qur'an 4:34 allows for physical violence (yes, it says to hit) against "disobedient women." Islamic law is inconsistent at best on whether parents who kill their children face any consequences at all. It is no surprise, then, that Muslims commit 91 percent of "honor killings" worldwide.

Even in Canada,Family saw slain girls as treacherous for having boyfriends, court hears," by Allison Jones for the Canadian Press, October 20

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/murder-trial-set-begin-today-montreal-family-accused-080006824.html
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But...but...but...they are good Muslims...wait...there is obviously no such thing. What a hidious violent pathetic religion of hate and murder.

Never Left · Oct 22, 2011

botenth said: ↑

This should never be tolerated, anywhere.
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This happens everyday in the Islamo world minagerie of horror.

DutchClogCyborg · Oct 24, 2011

What is more honorable then killing your sister for showing her ankles

gotta love Islamic culture.

Seres · Oct 24, 2011

People take religion far too serious. Mentally ill people doubly so.

At least, that's my conclusion from this news bulletin.

Roadvirus · Oct 25, 2011

Brewskier said: ↑

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In the first instance, Ms. Lacelle said, the social worker deemed the complaint to be founded true, in other words but closed the file anyway when Sahar wouldnt talk to her once she learned that the worker would be obligated to tell her parents what shed told her.

In the second instance, though police in Montreal interviewed the children separately and had them open up about their maltreatment including the fact that Mr. Shafia allegedly often threatened to kill them the child protection worker interviewed the girls in the presence of their parents.

Unsurprisingly, they clammed up or recanted their earlier allegations, and the worker closed the file.
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Talk about a complete (*)(*)(*)(*) up of the system. Somebody either needs to be fired or the standard operating procedures in regards to interviews needs to be changed.

Azuki Bean · Oct 26, 2011

Days after the bodies were found the father was recorded saying, "There is nothing more valuable than our honour.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/honour
great respect, regard, esteem, etc, or an outward sign of this

Sounds to me like there's some real self-worth issues here and a mental state which falls back on an unrealistic ideal as a coping mechanism. As well as some real anger and fear. A truly nasty act indeed to kill your own daughters.

I believe religion is a link in the chain here but not the root cause.

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