12 months in prison for putting a noose under a carport

Should be...

Can't see why it wouldn't...

 

He should have simply broken into the home.

He would have gotten less time.

 

Yeah, the sentencing on this was ridiculous. I think the guy still deserves a charge for intimidation and threats, but 12 months is a bit much.

 

Exactly. Without actually knowing what the offender was thinking it is easy to project our personal prejudices on the situation. There may be a lot we don't know that may have been taken into consideration when handing out the sentence.

 

As someone pointed out earlier, physical harm is not necessary for an assault charge...

I don't feel the least bit sorry for him...

 

I agree, but the reactions from us may be different.

 

How so?

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The guy was an idiot, no doubt, but as Subdermal pointed out.... he could've gotten less time from breaking and entering.

 

That is a very slippery slope Shiva. Why is it any different if someone threatens you with a noose or someone walks up to your face and says "I am going to (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kill you!" Would the latter also get one year in jail for that? For some reason, I HIGHLY doubt it!

Good point... double standard.

I agree, it is a threat --- but one year in jail? That is insane. I could see probation and a restraining order...

So it's OK to directly threaten someone as long as it's on your property - got it.

That's crap and you know it.

 

People may have found it more threatening if the offender was a Muslim or black whereas they don't now. Just trying to reconcile the difference of opinion on the matter of the noose perceived as a threat.

 

True, B&E probably would've carried less...

but...

So, there ya go...

 

Would that be an appropriate inanimate object for jews? I would think a mock canister of Zyklon B would be more effective, if pertaining to Muslims a Crusader symbol might be more effective, in the case of a Honduran immigrant I'm surprised the guy didn't use a picture of Christopher Columbus... Does nobody learn history anymore?

I gave you a perfectly valid alternative, the death penalty, in which you totally ignored, why is that?

 

Fair enough, but I'm not a big fan of hate crime legislation anyway.

 

Hate crime legislation can be abused, sure...

But it wasn't in this case...

 

Yes it was, there shouldn't be hate crime legislation. That sort of trash legislation will continue to grow until everyone acts like a happy little lefty, lest they be imprisoned for their thoughts. Where is the compassion for diversity? I guess it ends when they aren't like the lefties, correct?

 

No, it wasn't...

The noose was admittedly put there for the purpose of intimidation...

(*)(*)(*)(*) diversity...

That's not the point...

You don't go around threatening people, esp. on their own property...

And this is not a lefty/righty issue, but, your willingness to try to turn it into that shows exactly where you stand...

 

I stand against thought policing, you obviously don't. Enjoy your pre-packaged thought process in the future.

 

I voted 12 times last election. Leroy 1, Leroy 2, 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,..........

I'll do it again, dress like an animal Shemeka 1, 2,3, 4,5,...................... and double my old tally.

 

Thought policing!?

Are you reading what you're typing!?

He hung a noose on someone else's property, which he admitted to have done for the purpose of intimidation...

He's free to be an ignorant, racist prick all he wants...

But, he needs to do it on his own property...

 

He trespassed on private property and should pay the penalty for that, the concept of intimidation by inanimate object is some liquid voodoo science idea, it will shape itself to whatever the thought policers desire it to. Enjoy your police state, you asked for it.

 

You obviously don't read what you're typing...

Liquid voodoo science idea!?!?!?

Wow...

If I have a problem with you, and I go to your house and, say, set a shotgun shell on your vehicle, I'm gonna get in more trouble than trespassing...

And I should, if I were to do that...

If you let people threaten folks like that, then, eventually, it will go the extra step...

But, for some reason, you're OK with this sort of behavior...

Why is that?

 

Indeed, intimidation by inanimate objects is pure fantasy, thus voodoo science. Only the emotionally weak fear objects left alone.

I allow people to hunt my lands, on occasion they drop and leave a shell here or there, I'd assume that was the case, I'd not run to a lawyer and try to sue someone or have them arrested. In the case of a noose, well, rope is always useful, I'd put it to a better purpose.

I'm not in favor of intimidating people, I'd rather confront someone directly than use such concepts as intimidation. The problem I see is our society is getting so weak and pathetic anything offends, such offense means someone goes to jail, and the same weasels that whine about this whine about our overpopulated prisons... People need to toughen up, this continued weakness is turning us into a police state.

 

Hmm, my .357 Magnum is an "inanimate object"! It is made of of steel and has gunpowder in it. The gunpowder can make fertilizer, the steel can make swingsets!

Would it be a "thought crime" if I aimed it at your head and said "I think you should move out of this neighborhood!"?

 

If you leave your .357 Magnum at my house, I'll feel safer, not intimidated...

Pointing a loaded gun at someone is an actual threat, not some psychobabble concept, your twitching freedom hating fingers might accidentally kill someone, a rope in any configuration left simply hanging loose on one end, will not. A taunt rope across a bike path or something would constitute a threat, but that's another issue entirely. It has to do with potential outcomes. Now if it was somehow proven the noose was hung in such a way that a person could slip and fall into it and kill themselves, we might have something to talk about.

 

That's is the worst analogy I've ever heard...

Allowing people to hunt somewhere, and then finding shells afterward is FAR different than somewhere intentionally leaving a item for the purpose of making a threat, because they obviously don't have the balls to say it to the person...

It's not about PC, it's not about any police state, it's not about any sort of "thought crime" or any other cliche Orwell reference...

It's about not allowing people to threaten others, because, like I said, if you allow something like that, someone will take it a step further eventually...