Larger Than Watergate: 22 Page Criminal Complaint charges Obama birth record 'forged'

Exactly, why don't you look at the link on the first page?
That is what this thread was initially started to discuss.

 

I just did. Vogt states he has 'irrefutably proven' his assertion. Where is this proof, and why aren't the legal authorities all over this?
World Nut Daily is not a credible source.

 

Me too.
I've been wondering if he really has uncovered something or if it is just more Trump bluster.

 

So you make blanket statement dismissing evidence - are you an expert on forgery?
That's pretty impressive - unless of course your just blowing smoke.

As for the website reporting the source - again, you criticize others yet you engage in ad-hominem attacks rather than engage the argument.

This is why you often fail to get responses from others to your histrionics (or at least from me).

 

It's as much bluster as the rest of the birther rubbish.

 

See above comment about histrionics (add hyperbole too).
You mention rubbish, yet I think your post here is an example of rubbish.
It expresses nothing of intellegence and posts no points for debate.

Merely expresses your subjective opinion.

 

What evidence? You have provided nothing but what Vogt says he has discovered. That, my friend, is called 'hearsay'. Hearsay is not acceptable as evidence in any court I know of.

 

Exactly right-my subjective opinion, arrived at after years of idiocy from birthers who have provided absolutely nothing which any court has considered actionable. Unless, of course, you can prove me wrong. I'll wait.

 

Do you find it odd that not one medical professional has stepped forward to tell how shocked that they were to see a black baby come out of Barry's white mother. As much as we all appreciate and encourage multi racial marriages today, back in those days it was not as common so I think the people involved would have remembered little Barry.

 

Hahaha..

BUSTED? BIRTH CERTIFICATE FORGER COMES FORWARD!!

http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...ficate-forger-comes-forward/question-2086353/

So why hasn't the "forger" been arrested?

 

50 years ago?

Your statement is the most ridiculous so far.

 

LOL...I LOVE THIS!

Keep it up T-Baggers...wanna bigger shovel?

 

So it is ridiculous to think that when a white woman, in those days, has a black, big eared baby not one of the hospital staff who heard about it or seen it with their own eyes would still be alive?

I talk to a guy several times a week that was over thirty when Barry was bone and I can tell you that he would have remembered seeing a black baby born to a white woman.

Had Barry been born in the hospital there would have been a lot of hospital staff take a look at the little half black baby and a lot of patients and the friends of patients that remember seeing Barry and his Dumbo ears in the hospital nursery. Yet no one but Barry's mom's friends remember. You don't think that it is ridiculous that these people remember but it is out of the question that anyone else would remember the mixed race baby???

 

Ummm no.

Regardless of the veracity of the claims of the forger, the State of Hawaii has confirmed that they have the original birth certificate on file, which shows that he was born in Hawaii, and they have confirmed that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

All you have to do is prove that
a) this guys claims are correct and
b) that Obama was involved in any way- this would establish a forgery- for absolutely no reason though- since the State of Hawaii has the original that says the very same thing.

So I suggest again- march on down to your local FBI office and insist that they investigate. Bring them this guys information, and go OWS on them and camp out in their office until they do what you demand!

 

Nope- I think the FBI has more important things than investigating the claims of nut jobs.

But you take his claims seriously- you think that for some odd reason that Barack Obama- whose original Birth certificate is on file in Hawaii, and which we have seen certified copies of, and which the State of Hawaii has verified twice now was born in Hawaii, would for some inexplicable reason get some guy- who is neither a forgery expert or supportive of Obama- to create a forgery- that says the same thing as his original birth certificate- rather than just order it from Hawaii.

You are the one who believes such nonsense- demonstrate your belief by marching down to the FBI and demanding they take action. Camp out in their office and refuse to leave until they accede to your demands.

 

I note once again the total lack of substance.


So- have you gone to the FBI yet to pass on this 'evidence' to them? Demanded that they investigate?

 

No. Assuming the average age of any Doctor or nurse would have been between 25 and 40 at the time, any who might still be alive would be between the age of 75 and 90 right now. And would have delivered thousands of babies. In Hawaii. Where the races merge like mountain streams. Just one babies among thousands over the course of a 50 year career.

Oh and by the way- just to drive the point home- the doctor who delivered him is indeed dead.

 

You live in Hawaii?

 

I don't think that it is ridiculous that some of them may be alive. However, I think it is ridiculous to assume that these people are both alive and remember, after 50 years.

Sorry, I think you are just projecting your own prejudices on to what others would have done.

Another example of projecting your particular prejudices on others...

Let me ask you this- if I find a quote from someone who does remember something like this about it- will you accept it as confirmation- or will you immediately attack the version as unreliable?

Because here is what I think. I think this is just a straw man. It is incredibly unlikely that anyone would still be alive and still remember this birth from 50 years ago. But I admit it is possible.

But I think you just want to use this as a reason not to believe, and that if there was such a recollection, you would immediately dismiss it.

Birthers don't really want evidence, like you they just raise questions they hope no one can or will address, and once they are- they dismiss them.

 

Susan Nordyke, the twin born first, has certificate number 10637, and her sister Gretchen has certificate number 10638. Obama, born Aug. 4, 1961, and registered Aug. 8, 1961, has certificate number 10641.

Read more: Sheriff Joe's posse delivers promised Obama surprise http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=362625#ixzz1d8POds6W

Why would Obama's BC be out of sequence?

 

Don't know, don't care. Since we dont' know how Hawaii numbered the certificates, its just Birther speculation and innuendo.

Show me some document from the State of Hawaii which states how the certificates numbers were assigned in 1961, and show Obama's(or the Nordyke's) certificate violated that policy and I will be glad to look at the evidence.

Until then...just birther speculation and innuendo.

And completely unrelated to the thread topic.

 

Ah, and that is the key to your ignorance.
Don't know, Don't care.

You want evidence, no you don't.
You don't know and you don't care because it flies in the face of what you want to believe.

Willful ignorance.
Ignorance is curable, it is simply a state of not knowing.
Willful ignorance is pathetic - some would call it stupidity.

The key to knowing is asking questions.