Obama Quitly Signs Ban To Prevent Ownership Of The Famous WW2 M-1 Garand Rifle

That's just a letter not a legal document.

As you pointed out the S Koreans in 1950 were broke so we may have loaned them the guns.

But I think "loaned" was just an unfortunate choice of words by some junior staffer who is not used to dealing with liberals like you.

We gave away or sold a lot of war surplus material to foreign governments after WWII.

Clearly South Korea owns the guns now since Obama has not demanded their return so that he can transfer them to the Mexican drug lords.

 

It goes beyond your personal purchasing agenda. Rand said "loaned", not given. And it sounds like they're being offered by private concerns.

So you're OK with buying weapons purchased by US taxpayers being sold back by South Korean sharpies looking to make a buck? Weapons provided the South Koreans to help fight a desperate war that wasted 50,000 American lives and crippled scores more?

 

Yeah, and I get that when you hear the word "guns", your eyes glaze over and anything is OK.

 

Well if the case is that we own the weapons then we should just get them back, or fair compensation. Look at this point the situation is entirely speculation; all I'm saying is short of some strange scenario like what you're saying I can't see any reason not to buy the weapons, and if they are in the situation you describe, then we should just get them back, or get some form of compensation. That could still be done through a trade if one of the countries adds on the original value of the weapons to their purchase. All I'm saying is there's no reason we shouldn't have this work out.

 

Rand did say loaned.

But that is not a legal document and the Koreans could have paid for the guns later.

Besides however they acquired them they own the guns now.

I'm very OK with giving American citizens the opportunity to own those guns rather than having them melted down for scrap.

And you should not use the word "wasted" to describe the Americans killed in Korea.

North Korea by itself is threatening enough.

Think of how much worse it would be for us and our allies if the communists had enslaved the South also.

 

That's true, that plane was supposedly a bad ass machine. I heard most of the kills came from the eastern front as well. I don't know that the Russians really had that great of planes at the time.

 

"strange scenario"?

 

Selling us stuff they loaned from us or other strange thing like if they stole them off the back of a truck (well ship) or something. In any case I again can't really see a reason not to import them. They are historically significant and worth a fair bit of money. It's not like we're talking about importing something no one would ever want. That they're firearms is really most secondary as far as I'm concerned. It would be like saying we don't want to import some old muscle cars we exported to another nation.

 

I’m a collector. Bought one 7-8 years ago for $500. Since then the price has doubled. Hard to find war era issues in good shape. Prices more like 900 to 1,900 Have been looking forward to the Korean release, these guns likely stored in cosmoline and wax paper. Most all will be serialed pre 1953 and some during WWII, maybe even a few with matching number. Unfortunately, they will probably be defaced with the governments re-import stamp. Hopefully, if the guns are released, the price might drop 700 to 800 and I will pick u few more.

 

Nope, but you do have to send it to me. Send pictures and I will calculate adequate compensation and arrange shipping.

PS: ignore above post.....gun not worth that much.

 

If Obama can prevent the importation on M-1's from Korea because they are dangerous weapons why can't he take Boomer's M-1 too?

 

If Boomer sends M1 to me it will be mine. If Obama comes looking I probably won’t be able to find it. OOPS, sorry all my guns were here just a minute ago……

 

Well, that's just me, thinking Hillary and Paul and whoever started this thread missing the point.

 

How long ago was that? Furthermore I'm talking about private ownership of firearms. Nothing to do with the military whatsoever, and it's a fact that very, very few folk ever owned handguns (most were war trophies), hardly anyone except gamekeepers owned small-bore rifles.

We don't want, like or need the stupid things-as evidenced by the almost total absence of anyone clamouring for the repeal of the firearms laws preventing ownership.
You apparently need guns to demonstrate how 'free' you are; we are free without them.

 

Russia has a history of developing superb aeroplanes which continues to this day. During WW2 the Germans encountered the Yakovlev-3 and 9 over Russia they discovered a plane which could fly rings around anything they had, including the Bf-109.
The Ilyushin Il-2 Sturmovik was an extremely potent ground attack aeroplane of which over 42,000 were built. This proved to be a terrifyingly effective weapon over the Eastern front as a tank-killer and was, in Soviet opinion, the most decisive weapon in the history of land warfare.

Those are just two examples.

 

Because they are the only one's worth mentioning.

The communists had this annoying habit of sending some of their best generals and engineers to the salt mines for real or imagined threats to the state.

So in may cases the natural Russian genius was overcome by liberal/progressive stupidity and paranoia.

 

The only one's worth mentioning? Really? How many variants do you need to establish aerial superiority? If something works, and works well, you don't need anything else.
Should we discuss Soviet bombers also? Tanks? Small-arms? All became standards of excellence and were widely copied. How many AK-47s do you imagine have been made since 1947?

 

I thought you wanted to brag about commie aircraft in WWII?

But as I said there were only a couple worth mentioning so now you want to expand the topic to anything that you can think of?

 

Garands are all over the place. There were 8 of them at my father's burial three years ago, and he was buried in a tiny little town with a small VFW. I thought everybody owned a Garand.

 

Hoo boy! Now THAT is one of the best rejoinders I have read in this Forum in a long, long time! Bravo!

 

with you brains

 

How many outstanding fighters did Germany have? Two; the Bf109 and the FW190.

I wasn't bragging but educating. Always happy to help.

 

'With you brains' http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=ge...69&tbnw=175&start=0&ndsp=8&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

 

First you said that there was no law preventing importation of the weapons, now you say okay there are laws, but Obama, Obama, Obama.

Obama never said anything about this. You are frankly just making that up. There is no evidence Obama was involved with this at all, though he probably does know about it.

The U.S. routinely prevents the importation of weapons into the U.S.. I happen to think there is no compelling reason to do so- but it is completely unrelated to your obsession about Obama taking away your weapons.

As I have pointed out each time- your right to own guns is protected by the Constitution- but you have no right to import guns.

But vote him out if you want- thats what our election process is about.

 

No- it isn't accurate at all.

Obama didn't sign any ban.
There is no ban on ownership of the M-1
You can go out and buy an M-1 right now if you can afford one.
The importation of this specific lot of M-1's from Korea was nixed.

Not sure why you and the others feel compelled to make it something other than what it is.

I still would really like to know current information on this- all these posts and not one of you know anything about this 'ban' that is not a year old.

And I will point out again- I have nothing against these being imported into the U.S.. I have seen no compelling reason why they shouldn't be allowed in. I would like to find out what is actually happening though. The last information I have is that some legislators were proposing bills to allow this importation. Since it has been quiet since then, the State Department either reversed their position and importation was allowed, or the ban is still in place- and what has happened with the weapons?