Republicans Never Intended To Negotiate On Deficit

There constituents DON"T WANT TO GIVE MORE MONEY AWAY TO THE FAILED POLICIES OF OBAMA!

No it doesn't. But we can be assured that if Obama is reelected, Soros is pulling Obama's strings....

 

What's the point in taxing them any more than they already are? They may not be paying income tax, but they are paying payroll taxes. What's the point in increasing taxes on the folks making $20,000 a year or less? Any further taxation would just require additional spending on welfare to offset the hardship. People in that income range usually have trouble just paying for the essentials in life. It's not really a worthwhile exchange. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

Basically you're just quibbling about the standard deduction and the EITC. Everyone can opt to take the standard deduction, so that's no special benefit for the poor. Despite what conservative talk radio tells you, not every poor person qualifies for the EITC either. I never did, even when my income fell into the territory that normally would. People who have no children, for example, do not qualify for significant benefits from the EITC.

I never said I endorsed a "flat tax". I am not opposed to a progressive tax schedule. What I am opposed to is treating one sort of income (wages and salaries) different from other sorts of income (capital gains income). I think that all income ought to be treated the same, and subject to the same tax schedule.

If you're making $500,000 a year, you should pay the same amount in taxes, regardless of whether that was earned from investments or from wages. The current tax code treats the two differently, and that's the source of most of our revenue issues.

Which, incidentally, brings me to another point. Conservatives almost always seem to misunderstand how taxes work. I've never quite understood how they can actually file a 1040 given the understanding they express. For example, they say that poor people "pay no income tax," but the fact of the matter is everyone pays nothing on the first $20,000 or so of their income, if they take the standard deduction. Granted, most wealthy people will choose to itemize if they can, because they can get a lot more than the standard deduction in most cases--but that's still an option available to them. They can skip exactly the same amount of taxes as the poor. That's why it's a "standard" deduction. It's not like people who have some of their income at a higher bracket have to pay that high marginal rate on earlier income. Income within a bracket is taxed at that bracket's rate, not the rate of income earned in a higher bracket. So the wealthy are getting the exact same tax treatment on their first $20,000 or so as the poorest of that 47%. The fact that they earn more than that is rather irrelevant.

 

I'm a constituent of a Republican representative in Virginia and he has reneged on his duty to ME and his other constituents because of Norquist's threat to see that he's not reelected if he doesn't do exactly what Norquist says. Unless Norquist is a resident of Virginia, he didn't vote for my representative and doesn't represent me or any other citizen in the state. Why should he control our representative's votes against our best interests?

Of course it does. That's exactly what they're all doing right now whether they want to or not under threat of losing their seats. The economy isn't the only thing the Republicans pledged to Norquist vote on. Why wouldn't they be bound to vote as he directs on everything else? That's some serious power handed to some unelected nobody, isn't it?

 

Their "revenue enhancements" were just removing two or three loopholes in the tax code. And you wonder why the dems wouldn't take them up? I say let's let it go and the pentagon can lose 600 billion next year

 

I don't see it that way at all.

Grover Norquist has no power over anyone in Congress.

When Republicans sign that pledge they are promising the voters in their district not to raise taxes and they should take that promise seriously.

 

Sorry, the rich taste like twice warmed over (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

they would have negotiated, but they have a lot more leverage then the democrats do - both sides have shown they dont care to make harsh cuts in their own ideals in order to progress the country -

you could argue that the democrats should care more about the country and give in, given that the republicans have leverage and will use the upcoming election and uncertainty in the economy to their advantage - no one here is selfless and is only self interested, if you dont get that much, then you should prob not pay attention to negotiations

 

When you mash all the air bubbles and crap out of it, the Republicans really do have a stronger position... why?

The truth is that the Republicans could take a terrific advantage out of giving up the Bush Tax Cuts, and actually, I wish they would! As it is, the Democrats have NOTHING to put into the headlines except for complaint about Republicans protecting the Bush Tax Cuts.
It's their song: "Those dirty Right-wing Nazis will do ANYTHING to keep from taxing the rich!" --"Oh, no! Nazis protecting the rich?!" This little hyperlib drama is very familiar by now....

But if Republicans said to them, "OK, you give up on Obama's spending-splurge Welfare State, and we'll give you all the Bush Tax Cuts!" -- oh, man! The Democrats would have an apoplectic fit! They'd fall over and faint -- because they absolutely can not stop their gigantic Keynesian spending extravaganza, and they can't stand to have anything take the air out of their big Welfare State fraud-balloon!

The Repubs? Hey, after they kick Obama's ass out of the White House next year, they can cut taxes (again), provide real stimulus to small and large American businesses, and things will just get better and better. But first we've got to get rid of this Obamanite socialist disease before we can ever get healthy again!

 

Obama and the Democrats are just appealing to the bottom 50% who pay no income tax yet collect billions from the federal government in handouts.

Of course they want to pinch the rich so that Obama can give more away to them.

 

I could care less what they believe, the fact is the Republicans presented proposals including revenue enhancements and the Democrats proposed NOTHING.

Next time don't get snarky and I'll address the rest of your post.

 

What an absurd statement, there has been no inflation to speak off especially 30%, prove there has been 30% inflation over the last three years.

Yes they did, after the second round of tax cuts revenues increased 44%, the deficits fell in 2005, 2006 and 2007 down to only $161 Billion. The Democrats took over in 2008 and increased it TEN TIMES.

They most certainly did, 35% from 2000 before Bush took office.

DUH......that is the goal, lower rates and increase business activity and increase revenues. That is exactly what happened and why the Bush policies got us out of the slowdown/recession he inherited.

35% higher than before he took office.

Pure conjecture.

Nope
2001 1,991,082
2007 2,567,985

You should make sure your opponent is not before you start making such statements.

 

And stuffing the ballot boxes.

 

Your post shows how completely ignorent you are of Toomeys plan.

Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., presented an offer to several Democrats that envisioned raising almost $300 billion in additional revenue through an overhaul of the tax code that also lowered the top individual tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent. It would cut the corporate rate as well.

In other words Toomy wanted to exchange a measly 300 billion in tax revenue for massive cuts to the individual and corporarte tax rate. Those tax cuts represented hundreds of billions of lost revenue that could never be made up the Toomey's meager 300 billion in revenues. In short Toomy's offer would result in a massive indrease of the deficit. Like I said the Repulicans who walked to the super commitee table were wearing blinders which stated no tax increase regardless of what the negotiations are all about. They had no intentions of negotiating

 

Revenue Enhancements... What a crock. Why wont they call it what it is. Raising taxes.

This 1984 speak has to stop.

 

Of course not. Liberals aren't getting squat until they agree to a complete top-to-bottom reform of the tax code that broadens the tax base and makes at least some of 47% of the people who don't pay income taxes in this nation pay taxes.

I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what liberals are saying, 47% is not to poor to pay taxes and I don't care how much you scream about the rich and how unfair it is the 47% is going to pay some God (*)(*)(*)(*) taxes.

 

Says the man in the mirror.

And eliminate deductions and classify more income as taxable and cut spending getting us heading in the right direction.

Now what exactly was the plan the Democrats proposed?

 

A pissant tax on the rich that would raise about 30-40 billion dollars in revenue.

IOW, absolute (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

And did they ever even present that as a formal proposal? I don't think so.

 

Yeah, the entire thing was just a dog and pony show on both sides I think.

We predicted this after 2010.. that Government would be completely gridlocked and useless until after the 2012 elections. This was the ultimate goal of the right. Shut down Federal Government completely. We Cons don't need the Federal Government and so if it is gridlocked that is what is best for us. The Government stays out of our way. It's Democrats who need immediate action before their advantage slips away again.

I'm fine with it, it is the liberals throwing a fit about "broken Government" and needing "a little less Democracy" acting as if the nation is just going to fall apart if we don't solve these problems in favor of Democrats right this second.

Gridlock always damages Liberals more than Conservatives because Conservatives are at least content to maintain status quo until things turn to their advantage. Liberals need to look constantly busy to keep their activists happy.

 

It's not like the Conservatives haven't tried. They had the Ryan budget proposal, the 22 bills tp help turn the jobs situation around, they voiced support for Obama's debt reduction committee results then they propose plans in the Super Committee.

What have the Democrats proposed and what is Obama proposing if he gets reelected.